Frame numbers stamped

[Joe K]

Originally Posted by Russell Reay

My solution. Officer and DMV never questioned it

That might get in the way of receipt of your payment.

There was a time, and perhaps still is for VID and its tracking. High end cars are frequently stolen and then "parted out" hence the tendency to mark all parts of resale value with the VID.

The State and police do little in stemming this trend. There might have been a time when automobiles were less common, more expensive, and when title and tracking MIGHT have been a benefit.

Having a VID and sales record might be an assurance that a dealer is selling "the real goods" rather than some "assembled from parts creation." I expect that era ended about 1925.

But best you can say is "it is what it is." Our modern existence.

Cow Hampshire is currently in the throes of eliminating automobile safety and emissions inspection - another tracking. The judges have been both ways on this since Christmas.

Meanwhile, a neighbor up the street drives a 1998 Toyota Sienna that is so degraded it can't be picked up on a lift - but it has Colorado Plates on it. We're talking like four years. Technically it is a "visitor."

Joe K

[fredski53]

Originally Posted by Bob Bidonde

I maintain records for the Victoria Association about the surviving 190-A's. Your 190-A is a Leather-Back which is the earlier body style of the Victoria. On record are surviving Victorias with 3-digit Murray body numbers dating back to production in the first quarter of 1930. So apparently there was a stockpile of Victorias available for their initial sales release. So the frame number on your car should be an indicator of when it was assembled at a Ford plant, but no earlier than 1930. Also, the Victoria's frame is unique because it has brackets for that body style.

Bob, this frame is from a Sport Coupe. I bought it last summer. I still have the Victoria..

[Randy in ca]

The two number possibilities indicate either 1929 or 1930 it would seem (as others have stated above). As others have also suggested above, frame differences between these dates (such as the front crossmember and other period changes) should provide the answer you seek. Not much more anyone else can provide that isn't pretty much a guess.

[CWPASADENA]

Originally Posted by fredski53

Bob, this frame is from a Sport Coupe. I bought it last summer. I still have the Victoria..

What year is the Sport Coupe Body? I bet it is a '30 and this is the original frame????

Chris W.

[fredski53]

The body is a 1928 or 29. I was told the frame was a 1930.

[ModelA29]

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52 hour week = 8.6 hours a day for 6 days. Henry was running 3 shifts of 8 hours a day. The extra .6 could have been meal and a break. They probably had workers that stepped in to keep the line running while others were eating. His $5 a day could have included the meal & break - it wasn't an hourly wage. Or you were required to arrive/depart 20 minutes early/late so you had time to get from the time clock to your work station so Henry got his full 8 hours.

[gdmn852]

Hello , The fair wage and hour laws came into effect in 1938 ,this made 40 hours a week standard with time and a half pay over 40 hours for most occupations .12 hour days weren’t too uncommon in years past.

[ModelA29]

Originally Posted by gdmn852

Hello , The fair wage and hour laws came into effect in 1938 ,this made 40 hours a week standard with time and a half pay over 40 hours for most occupations .12 hour days weren’t too uncommon in years past.

Lots of variations to consider. 28/29 lots of new cars and plenty of money. late 29 thing changed drastically.


In 1930, Ford Motor Company maintained high wages despite the onset of the Great Depression, with many workers earning around $7.60 a day, though this was often offset by reduced hours, as average annual earnings were around $959.20.
That's only 126 hours in a year.
In reality Henry's 1914 $5 a day had a base pay of $2.34 and a profit sharing bonus of up to $2.66. During the depression maybe Henry had a lot of workers putting in low hours so they could keep food on the table.

[reggiedog]

Most people know that the frame was stamped as well if they don't they don't know the Model A's as all Model A's had the frame stamped as well the stamp is the same as the original engine number that's one way you can tell if the engine is original to the car. Reggiedog

[reggiedog]

And to me it looks like the frame was restamped with a different stamp as the 99 is smaller than the rest of the other numbers as to me it looks like the 00 numbers are correct in the number. Reggiedog

[Keith True]

All Model A frames were not stamped,although the U.S. ones were supposed to be.Canadian frames were not stamped.I've had two unstamped A frames.One is sitting outside my cellar door right now,it is the cleanest unrestored frame I have owned.To grind deep enough to get rid of numbers you would leave behind divots from the grinder.That frame is dead flat and perfect from front to rear.When I did portable blasting I went out and did a 30 frame that showed no numbers.After blasting we found the numbers just ahead of the rear crossmember.

[Gene F]

So why is this coming up? Do you live in a title state? Did you get the car from a title state, or bill of sale state?