1933 Model B Help/Fuel Pump

[petehoovie]

Originally Posted by deuce lover

Now from seeing the pics of the interior, the dash is a Standard(no ash tray or cigarette lighter). Rear seat ashtrays are '34.If it was originally a Standard,deluxe features were added such as rear seat armrests and cowl lights as well as dual horns. Here is a '33 Standard V8 that I owned a few yrs ago. Windshield should be black and not chrome.

If in fact your '33 is a Standard 4 cyl , domestic production was 2,875 .

[rockfla]

Originally Posted by Kevinjcollins3

Well, it looks like I came to the right place! Thank you very much to all for the assistance and for the comments on the car! I will probably get a rebuild kit for the current fuel pump while I look for a correct fuel pump and lines.

I can’t believe this car is one of 79! That’s amazing to me. Rockfla, can you point me to the reference for that, please?

I’ve also added some pics of the interior and carb. Please excuse the picture quality. Not the best lighting out in the barn these days.

Kevin
To preface my post, this site is more for the "purist" side of the the Early Ford V8 crowd SO many who post here have the "eye" OR "looking glass" and comments based on "As Henry Ford Built It" SO comments about your car are NOT to degrade of minimize your car BUT to provide you information about how it was "originally" made and outfitted THUS "IF" you are wanting to get it back to "Early Ford V8 Club of America" judging standards THEN the information provided is for that purpose.....SO......As Deuce Lover pointed out, your car was "originally" a 1933 Standard Two Door (not a Deluxe) THUS domestic production for your car is 2875 units, this information is in a book titled "The Early Ford V8: As Henry Built It" by Francis & DeAngilis. As Deuce Lover also pointed out, many items have been changed to make it a DeLuxe. No real harm, no real foul OTHER THAN they would be points deductions under judging standards of the EFV8 Club judging. ALSO not mentioned are the bumper guards, grill hoop guard are ALSO NOT original thus NOT correct for 1933's. It is hard to tell from the picture and angle of the picture BUT your bumper appears to be 1934, IF the bumper guards tilt inward at the tops, then your bumper is the correct 1933, IF the bumper guards are standing straight then your bumper is a 1934, they appear straight to me?? You can ALSO measure the bumper bolt center to center measurement, 1933 is 22" and 1934 is 26" center to center. As Deuce Lover mentioned about the absence of a ash tray, another telltale sign your car is a 1933 Standard is the speedometer is a 3 digit tripometer, Deluxe is a 4 digit tripometer (see pic 1). ALSO, and again, IF getting it to "original" standards, your carburetor is a 1932...IT will work perfectly.....and to the "casual eye" no difference in the correct 1933/34 Zenith BUT one of the first "noticeable" signs is the "raised Zenith" cast in the float bowl, which indicates it being a 1932.....1933 & 34's had an "indented Zenith" cast in the float bowl and a few other very minor changes (see pic#2 Middle carb). Thanks for sharing your car with Us. Hope this all helps you?

[petehoovie]

Originally Posted by rockfla

Kevin
To preface my post, this site is more for the "purist" side of the the Early Ford V8 crowd SO many who post here have the "eye" OR "looking glass" and comments based on "As Henry Ford Built It" SO comments about your car are NOT to degrade of minimize your car BUT to provide you information about how it was "originally" made and outfitted THUS "IF" you are wanting to get it back to "Early Ford V8 Club of America" judging standards THEN the information provided is for that purpose.....SO......As Deuce Lover pointed out, your car was "originally" a 1933 Standard Two Door (not a Deluxe) THUS domestic production for your car is 2875 units, this information is in a book titled "The Early Ford V8: As Henry Built It" by Francis & DeAngilis. As Deuce Lover also pointed out, many items have been changed to make it a DeLuxe. No real harm, no real foul OTHER THAN they would be points deductions under judging standards of the EFV8 Club judging. ALSO not mentioned are the bumper guards, grill hoop guard are ALSO NOT original thus NOT correct for 1933's. It is hard to tell from the picture and angle of the picture BUT your bumper appears to be 1934, IF the bumper guards tilt inward at the tops, then your bumper is the correct 1933, IF the bumper guards are standing straight then your bumper is a 1934, they appear straight to me?? You can ALSO measure the bumper bolt center to center measurement, 1933 is 22" and 1934 is 26" center to center. As Deuce Lover mentioned about the absence of a ash tray, another telltale sign your car is a 1933 Standard is the speedometer is a 3 digit tripometer, Deluxe is a 4 digit tripometer (see pic 1). ALSO, and again, IF getting it to "original" standards, your carburetor is a 1932...IT will work perfectly.....and to the "casual eye" no difference in the correct 1933/34 Zenith BUT one of the first "noticeable" signs is the "raised Zenith" cast in the float bowl, which indicates it being a 1932.....1933 & 34's had an "indented Zenith" cast in the float bowl and a few other very minor changes (see pic#2 Middle carb). Thanks for sharing your car with Us. Hope this all helps you?

[mcgarrett]

Kevinjcollins3,
Glad you joined us here on the Barn. What a nice car you have there, congratulations!

Looking at the photos of the interior, I'm curious; is that a heater I see under the passenger side of the dash? I don't think it is a genuine Ford accessory but it certainly compliments the interior very well.

If you haven't done so already, get yourself a copy of this book from the Early Ford V8 Club of America which details all about the Model 40 cars & trucks...

[petehoovie]

Originally Posted by mcgarrett

Kevinjcollins3,
Glad you joined us here on the Barn. What a nice car you have there, congratulations!

Looking at the photos of the interior, I'm curious; is that a heater I see under the passenger side of the dash? I don't think it is a genuine Ford accessory but it certainly compliments the interior very well.

If you haven't done so already, get yourself a copy of this book from the Early Ford V8 Club of America which details all about the Model 40 cars & trucks...

[ursus]

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QUOTE: "one of the first "noticeable" signs is the "raised Zenith" cast in the float bowl, which indicates it being a 1932.....1933 & 34's had an "indented Zenith" cast in the float bowl and a few other very minor changes (see pic#2 Middle carb)."

I believe it is the opposite. The early B-1 version had the indented "Zenith" lower casting and a round float. The later B-2 version had the raised letters, a rectangular float, and an improved idle port. The photo supplied by the OP shows an angled and indented "32005" on the side of the upper casting, a feature of the B carbs made by Zenith starting in 1935 for replacement purposes. These aftermarket versions seem to be the most plentiful.

[rockfla]

Originally Posted by ursus

QUOTE: "one of the first "noticeable" signs is the "raised Zenith" cast in the float bowl, which indicates it being a 1932.....1933 & 34's had an "indented Zenith" cast in the float bowl and a few other very minor changes (see pic#2 Middle carb)."

I believe it is the opposite. The early B-1 version had the indented "Zenith" lower casting and a round float. The later B-2 version had the raised letters, a rectangular float, and an improved idle port. The photo supplied by the OP shows an angled and indented "32005" on the side of the upper casting, a feature of the B carbs made by Zenith starting in 1935 for replacement purposes. These aftermarket versions seem to be the most plentiful.

With all due respect, A little but NOT as you state


"Hello,

The indented word Zenith cast into the lower casting went 1932 thru roughly April - May 1934.


On 4-10-1934 most of the early parts were obsoleted...


That's when they switched over to the rectangular float with baffle and spring.


The lower casting had changes implemented with the float change.


David

RENNER'S CORNER
EARLY FORD PARTS"


Not to be obtuse or argumentative by any means

[ursus]

Originally Posted by rockfla

With all due respect, A little but NOT as you state


"Hello,

The indented word Zenith cast into the lower casting went 1932 thru roughly April - May 1934.


On 4-10-1934 most of the early parts were obsoleted...


That's when they switched over to the rectangular float with baffle and spring.


The lower casting had changes implemented with the float change.


David

RENNER'S CORNER
EARLY FORD PARTS"


Not to be obtuse or argumentative by any means

Thanks to Renner's for weighing in on this! I have collected details regarding the B-carbs for a number of years. There is much regarding the evolution of the castings and parts but very little pertaining to the actual timeline of changes. Add to this the various mixture of parts assembled by owners over the years and we have a recipe for confusion. I have looked but not yet found a bulletin from Ford detailing the introduction of the rectangular float, which is here reported to have taken place during the late Model B production. An interesting subject to me, at least.

[rockfla]

Originally Posted by ursus

Thanks to Renner's for weighing in on this! I have collected details regarding the B-carbs for a number of years. There is much regarding the evolution of the castings and parts but very little pertaining to the actual timeline of changes. Add to this the various mixture of parts assembled by owners over the years and we have a recipe for confusion. I have looked but not yet found a bulletin from Ford detailing the introduction of the rectangular float, which is here reported to have taken place during the late Model B production. An interesting subject to me, at least.

From my dive down “the rabbit hole” and my personal experience, the “indent” was more difficult, for me, to find and it seems it had a pretty long run of usage. The “raised” bowls seemed to be way more plentiful, to me. Even as I casually look on Ebay and whats for sale on a regular basis. I have the 3 basic - raised, indented and the 32005 which I’ve been told, the latter, is the best incarnation of the bunch??