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northeastcarnut · 03-01-2017, 07:26 PM

I'm still trying to solve my problem with a noisy lifter in my '51 Lincoln flathead. Is there a good reliable chemical I can add? The noise appears only after the engine runs and warms. When cold, it's quiet and runs great. I have run lots of Mystery Oil in the crankcase, but no help. I'm now running fresh 40W non detergent oil.

30-9 · 03-01-2017, 07:40 PM

Good stuff:

alanwoodieman · 03-01-2017, 08:00 PM

might need to adjust one valve. put a vacuum gauge on the engine and see if there is any variation between cold and hot readings. I had an adjustable lifter that would self adjust, fixed that one and now I have another one that does it when it is hot

Pilot31135 · 03-01-2017, 08:00 PM

PB Blaster trans valve fix, if you can find it.

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Tinker · 03-01-2017, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by alanwoodieman

might need to adjust one valve. put a vacuum gauge on the engine and see if there is any variation between cold and hot readings. I had an adjustable lifter that would self adjust, fixed that one and now I have another one that does it when it is hot

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cmbrucew · 03-01-2017, 09:48 PM

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Tinker · 03-01-2017, 10:20 PM

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I get that Bruce and thank you, I was thinking more about agreeing with an answer. Might eliminate a lot of double posts. Not that I'm saying anything is wrong with it now.

WestCoast · 03-01-2017, 10:44 PM

your first mistake is running non detergent oil in an engine with hydraulic lifters, detergent oil removes gunk and sludge built up in an engine. try running 4 or 5 oz of mmo in our gas. it could be the valve sticking in the guide

tubman · 03-01-2017, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by WestCoast

your first mistake is running non detergent oil in an engine with hydraulic lifters, detergent oil removes gunk and sludge built up in an engine. try running 4 or 5 oz of mmo in our gas. it could be the valve sticking in the guide

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GB SISSON · 03-01-2017, 11:50 PM

Putting a chemical in to quiet a noisy lifter seems more like what would be done to quiet a hydraulic lifter that was collapsed or sticking. In my somewhat limited experience with these flatheads a noisy one most would most likely need to be adjusted to quiet it down.

Brian · 03-02-2017, 12:43 AM

The Lincoln is indeed running hydraulic lifters, hence the op's question.

petehoovie · 03-02-2017, 01:46 AM

40 Deluxe · 03-02-2017, 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by northeastcarnut

I'm still trying to solve my problem with a noisy lifter in my '51 Lincoln flathead. Is there a good reliable chemical I can add? The noise appears only after the engine runs and warms. When cold, it's quiet and runs great. I have run lots of Mystery Oil in the crankcase, but no help. I'm now running fresh 40W non detergent oil.

!st step is to get that non-detergent oil out of there! That stuff is only good for oiling bicycle chains. Hydraulic lifters caused a lot of trouble before high detergent oil became available. "Collapsed" lifters were common. Sludge and varnish deposits caused the little check balls to hang up or not seat properly, or gummed up the internal plungers. Rislone was one product offered back then that seemed to work.

51 MERC-CT · 03-02-2017, 03:16 AM

Yes, indeed RISLONE is what worked for me when a noisy hydraulic lifter problem needed attention.

flatford8 · 03-02-2017, 04:11 AM

Does a '51 flathead have hydraulic lifters?........ Mark

51 MERC-CT · 03-02-2017, 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by flatford8

Does a '51 flathead have hydraulic lifters?........ Mark

Yes. '51 Lincoln flathead has hydraulic lifters.

flatford8 · 03-02-2017, 05:49 AM

Ok. Thanks

KGS · 03-02-2017, 08:36 AM

Do a fresh oil change with detergent oil minus 1 quart. Add a full quart of Marvel Mystery Oil to replace the one omitted in the oil change. Run the car for 100 to 200 miles and do another oil change. This should cure the noisy lifter. If not, run the car another hundred miles or so and repeat the MMO procedure. Ken

rotorwrench · 03-02-2017, 09:59 AM

Hydraulic tappets generally have a little ball bearing in them that acts as a one way valve. If the seat or ball has deteriorated to the point that it allows excessive leak down, the tappet assembly should be replaced. Crud can get in there and cause leakage too but sometimes you have to remove the lifter and clean the crud out manually. A leak down test can be performed before considering whether to put it back in there. Sometimes a unit just has bad clearances in the little piston or its bore. This can also cause excessive leak down. If that's the case, the unit would have to be replaced.

blucar · 03-02-2017, 10:41 AM

It is hard to believe that anyone would run a non-detergent oil in any engine in this day and age.
I have ran nothing but detergent oil, either Union Oil Royal Triton or Castorl GTX 20/50 in my 59AB engine since 1954. The only reason I switched from Royal Triton was because Union Oil quit making it.
I use the oil recommended by the vehicle manufacture in my newer, modern vehicles.

03-01-2017, 08:00 PM	#3
alanwoodieman Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: upstate SC Posts: 3,006	Re: Is there a good chemical to quiet lifter in my '51 Lincoln flathead might need to adjust one valve. put a vacuum gauge on the engine and see if there is any variation between cold and hot readings. I had an adjustable lifter that would self adjust, fixed that one and now I have another one that does it when it is hot

03-01-2017, 08:00 PM	#4
Pilot31135 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: Maine Posts: 109	Re: Is there a good chemical to quiet lifter in my '51 Lincoln flathead PB Blaster trans valve fix, if you can find it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

03-01-2017, 10:44 PM	#8
WestCoast Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: oroville calif Posts: 892	Re: Is there a good chemical to quiet lifter in my '51 Lincoln flathead your first mistake is running non detergent oil in an engine with hydraulic lifters, detergent oil removes gunk and sludge built up in an engine. try running 4 or 5 oz of mmo in our gas. it could be the valve sticking in the guide

03-01-2017, 11:50 PM	#10
GB SISSON Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Orcas Island Washington Posts: 6,202	Re: Is there a good chemical to quiet lifter in my '51 Lincoln flathead Putting a chemical in to quiet a noisy lifter seems more like what would be done to quiet a hydraulic lifter that was collapsed or sticking. In my somewhat limited experience with these flatheads a noisy one most would most likely need to be adjusted to quiet it down. __________________ Owner/Operator of 'Jailbar Ranch' on the side of Mt. Pickett. Current stable consists of 1946 1/2 ton pickup turned woodie wagon with FH V8, 1946 Tonner Pickup with 226 H six, 1979 Toyota landcruiser wagon, now wearing 1947 Ford Jailbar sheet metal. 'Rusty ol' floorboards, hot on their feet' (Alan Jackson)

03-02-2017, 12:43 AM	#11
Brian Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Masterton, New Zealand Posts: 4,097	Re: Is there a good chemical to quiet lifter in my '51 Lincoln flathead The Lincoln is indeed running hydraulic lifters, hence the op's question. __________________ Unfortunately, two half wits don't make a whole wit!

03-01-2017, 07:26 PM	#1
northeastcarnut Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: Rockport MA 01966 Posts: 25	Is there a good chemical to quiet lifter in my '51 Lincoln flathead I'm still trying to solve my problem with a noisy lifter in my '51 Lincoln flathead. Is there a good reliable chemical I can add? The noise appears only after the engine runs and warms. When cold, it's quiet and runs great. I have run lots of Mystery Oil in the crankcase, but no help. I'm now running fresh 40W non detergent oil.

03-02-2017, 01:46 AM	#12
petehoovie Senior Member Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 11,643	Re: Is there a good chemical to quiet lifter in my '51 Lincoln flathead __________________

03-02-2017, 03:16 AM	#14
51 MERC-CT Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: East Hartford, Ct Posts: 5,898	Re: Is there a good chemical to quiet lifter in my '51 Lincoln flathead Yes, indeed RISLONE is what worked for me when a noisy hydraulic lifter problem needed attention. __________________ DON'T RECALL DOING SOMETHING FOR MYSELF BASED ON SOMEONE ELSE'S LIKES OR DISLIKES

03-02-2017, 04:11 AM	#15
flatford8 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Lyman,ME. Posts: 3,024	Re: Is there a good chemical to quiet lifter in my '51 Lincoln flathead Does a '51 flathead have hydraulic lifters?........ Mark __________________ I'm thinkin' about crankin' My ragged ol' truck up and haulin' myself into town. Billy Joe Shaver…RIP

03-02-2017, 05:49 AM	#17
flatford8 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Lyman,ME. Posts: 3,024	Re: Is there a good chemical to quiet lifter in my '51 Lincoln flathead Ok. Thanks __________________ I'm thinkin' about crankin' My ragged ol' truck up and haulin' myself into town. Billy Joe Shaver…RIP

03-02-2017, 08:36 AM	#18
KGS Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Schooley's Mountain Posts: 531	Re: Is there a good chemical to quiet lifter in my '51 Lincoln flathead Do a fresh oil change with detergent oil minus 1 quart. Add a full quart of Marvel Mystery Oil to replace the one omitted in the oil change. Run the car for 100 to 200 miles and do another oil change. This should cure the noisy lifter. If not, run the car another hundred miles or so and repeat the MMO procedure. Ken

03-02-2017, 09:59 AM	#19
rotorwrench Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 18,006	Re: Is there a good chemical to quiet lifter in my '51 Lincoln flathead Hydraulic tappets generally have a little ball bearing in them that acts as a one way valve. If the seat or ball has deteriorated to the point that it allows excessive leak down, the tappet assembly should be replaced. Crud can get in there and cause leakage too but sometimes you have to remove the lifter and clean the crud out manually. A leak down test can be performed before considering whether to put it back in there. Sometimes a unit just has bad clearances in the little piston or its bore. This can also cause excessive leak down. If that's the case, the unit would have to be replaced.

03-02-2017, 10:41 AM	#20
blucar Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Ventura, CA Posts: 2,466	Re: Is there a good chemical to quiet lifter in my '51 Lincoln flathead It is hard to believe that anyone would run a non-detergent oil in any engine in this day and age. I have ran nothing but detergent oil, either Union Oil Royal Triton or Castorl GTX 20/50 in my 59AB engine since 1954. The only reason I switched from Royal Triton was because Union Oil quit making it. I use the oil recommended by the vehicle manufacture in my newer, modern vehicles. __________________ Bill.... 36 5 win cpe