Dan Price Porous castings Bad bad bad

[Ross/Kzoo]

After rereading the original post I've come to a different conclusion. When laslobassett was talking with Dan Price that he, Dan, had every right to assume that along with the new side cover a new gasket would be needed. It would be ludicrous to think that laslobassett wouldn't be buying a gasket from Dan. When the parameters of the exchange changed then all bets were off. JMHO

[Ed]

I was going to stay out of this one. However, since this type of post appears on FB once in a while I will make couple of comments.

First, my disclaimer. I personally do not know either parties involved in this dispute.

1) Most of the time when this type of post appears on this site, it only one persons side of the story. I am always suspect when I see a post like this. My life experiences have shown me that seldom is a one sided story completely accurate.

2) Whenever I see a post like this I immediately resent the smear tactics used against another person. Especially when it is disguised as "Bad Parts". In this case the real complaint is not Bad Parts. The real complaint is I did not get something for nothing!

3) The fact that Dan Price has refused to step into this one sided complaint speaks volumes. He has decided to take the high road and not waste his time trying to defend himself in a forum such as this. His reputation speaks for itself.

[Huckster Dave]

Seems to me that we have a severe case of shoot the messenger here. I have often read here people asking that people reveal a bad vendor or seller. The vendor for what ever reason (some have indicated high moral character) has chosen not to defend himself. Rather the problem is real or perceived I have not a clue. However I don't think it necessary to shoot the messenger. I guess that if I had a bad experience I would avoid posting it here as to avoid the public degradation and let you all experience it and learn the hard way.

[Huckster Dave]

Ross/Kzoo the way I read the original post, the gasket was for a head not a side cover gasket.

[just plain bill]

I find a puzzling aspect in this back and forth discussion regarding, as I read it, a porous side cover casting that was sold. I find it hard to believe a reputable person would knowingly sell a faulty product. I have had and used several different side plates over the years and I personally haven't had a porous casting. I have had them from 4 different sources that I know of. Some I bought and sold with no complaints and the Winfield and Riley plus a plain one I have used didn't leak and were not porous. I owned and operated a screw machine shop and in that business you could not ship an out of tolerance part wether it was a dimensional error or a finish problem. I personally had to stand behind the quality of the parts/products I produced wether it was 1 or 100,000.
I do enjoy reading the different opinions and appreciate the support given to friends and associates. This is a discussion forum after all.
Where are the PC police on this ? After all this is a "Hot Rod" being discussed here!

[Kohnke Rebabbitting]

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Originally Posted by Ross/Kzoo

After rereading the original post I've come to a different conclusion. When laslobassett was talking with Dan Price that he, Dan, had every right to assume that along with the new side cover a new gasket would be needed. It would be ludicrous to think that laslobassett wouldn't be buying a gasket from Dan. When the parameters of the exchange changed then all bets were off. JMHO

You better read that post again, try to follow it in order this time. I know you have probably read it forward, and backwards, but try reading it forwards this time! You wouldn't think Comprehension, and retention would be that difficult. But I guess you have to slant it if you want it to sound like it is coming out the way you want!

[Tinker]

Holy Smokes, just checked out his products... wow. http://dan4banger.com/products.html

Seems like with all the stuff he supplies, it's a little harse to get bent out of shape for a cover piece that can be corrected. Especially if you can afford a B OHV.

But what do I know... nothing.

Funny story about a racer and tv car guy that I worked for once. He's been around in the car scene for decades. We went to lunch and went to a local place to eat. In the parking lot, in line for food, or sitting and eating, people would point or stare and occasional someone would come up and say hi. He was always very nice to everyone. But people do go to far sometimes and ask questions that he didn't want to answer, like where do you live (huh?) Rightly so. When a question came up, He just stared off in to space not saying a word till the questioner would get the hint. First time I saw him do it, I had a hard time not laughing right there.

Not related to this thread but hey....

[ford1]

to answer tinkers question, when you buy a part you dont expect to have to re engineer the part to make it work, now to his post, the man makes and sells a defective psrt, he knows it he admits it and yet he goes on selling it, and what i understands he doesnt really plan on doing anything about it, whats up with that

[BRENT in 10-uh-C]

It is truly amazing to me how opinions are formulated by some folks who by their own admissions do not know Mr. Picaro and/or Mr. Price, ...nor do they know all the facts within this particular circumstance YET they feel they have the right to publicly voice their comment(s) here as if their intent is to defame one of those individuals.

Adding to that thought, if Mr. Price actually came here and cited his side of the story under oath, I cannot help but wonder how many folks would perceive this entire rant now. Could it change the perception totally? Is it possible no matter what Mr. Price would say, some people would likely stand by their biased comments or opinions, ---even if the stated counts of both parties were not the same?

Originally Posted by ford1

to answer tinkers question, when you buy a part you dont expect to have to re engineer the part to make it work, now to his post, the man makes and sells a defective psrt [part], he knows it he admits it and yet he goes on selling it, and what i understands he doesnt really plan on doing anything about it, whats up with that

First off with all due respect, how do you/we know that is a factual statement? Is this based on hearsay or did you hear this from Mr. Price? Many are assuming stuff without hearing sworn testimony from both sides, ...which I feel is grossly unfair.
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[Kohnke Rebabbitting]

Originally Posted by Ed

I was going to stay out of this one. However, since this type of post appears on FB once in a while I will make couple of comments.

First, my disclaimer. I personally do not know either parties involved in this dispute.

1) Most of the time when this type of post appears on this site, it only one persons side of the story. I am always suspect when I see a post like this. My life experiences have shown me that seldom is a one sided story completely accurate.

2) Whenever I see a post like this I immediately resent the smear tactics used against another person. Especially when it is disguised as "Bad Parts". In this case the real complaint is not Bad Parts. The real complaint is I did not get something for nothing!

3) The fact that Dan Price has refused to step into this one sided complaint speaks volumes. He has decided to take the high road and not waste his time trying to defend himself in a forum such as this. His reputation speaks for itself.

The fact is the parts were bad, and you can't make a valid excuse for that. He said he knew it, you can't make an excuse for that, and you can't say he didn't know, as it was put on by the first owner, and that may have been a deciding factor on why the first owner sold the car. He said he has changed foundries, why, if there is nothing wrong with the side covers??

If I had sold defective bearings to a guy for a Roles-Royce, and the car was never driven in 5 years, and the car was sold, and in a 1000 miles, by the new owner, and the bearings went, and you could clearly see it was my fault, I would fix them at no charge, or I know my Dad would come back from the Grave to Kick my.......!!

With that said, I don't know Dan, and I am sure he is the best, at the things he does, BUT that batch of Defective side plates should not have been sold, or he should have taken responsibly for selling defective parts, and made it right, or if they were saleable, with a way to fix them, he should have done that before they went out.

[ford1]

Brent, you have found that miss spelled word, (psrt) and it seems to have made your day, i glad i made you happy, but your right we only have one side of the story, if he wants to stop by and give his i will be willing to listen and if need be change my mind, but need the other story before that can happen

[James Rogers]

Originally Posted by just plain bill

I find a puzzling aspect in this back and forth discussion regarding, as I read it, a porous side cover casting that was sold. I find it hard to believe a reputable person would knowingly sell a faulty product. I have had and used several different side plates over the years and I personally haven't had a porous casting. I have had them from 4 different sources that I know of. Some I bought and sold with no complaints and the Winfield and Riley plus a plain one I have used didn't leak and were not porous. I owned and operated a screw machine shop and in that business you could not ship an out of tolerance part wether it was a dimensional error or a finish problem. I personally had to stand behind the quality of the parts/products I produced wether it was 1 or 100,000.
I do enjoy reading the different opinions and appreciate the support given to friends and associates. This is a discussion forum after all.
Where are the PC police on this ? After all this is a "Hot Rod" being discussed here!

Bill, I don't think the cyber police are needed in this case since the complaint is not so much about the part as the refusal to give the second owner a free part just because he thinks he should get one.

I know about making good on defects. I have just today took a motor apart to make good on a rebuild that dribbled a little oil from the filler. Now I will be the first to admit the fault was mine as to the problem. Seems I put one piston in with the ring gaps lined up. This caused excessive pressure in the crankcase and I was glad to fix it for the customer for free. What I did that probably was not really mine to do was, I removed the engine from the car even though I didn't install it and I will re-install it for free even though my warranty expressly states this is the customer responsibility and not mine. Sometimes you just have to bite the bullet and get on with it. I figured I didn't want one of my motors out there with a problem even if I had to do the removal and install. I am OK with it. Some sellers just are not as obliging.

[Kohnke Rebabbitting]

how do you/we know that is a factual statement? Is this based on hearsay or did you hear this from Mr. Price?

I for one think it hearsay!! I think Matt HEARED him SAY that!!

[Steve Plucker]

Originally Posted by James Rogers

Bill, I don't think the cyber police are needed in this case since the complaint is not so much about the part as the refusal to give the second owner a free part just because he thinks he should get one.

I know about making good on defects. I have just today took a motor apart to make good on a rebuild that dribbled a little oil from the filler. Now I will be the first to admit the fault was mine as to the problem. Seems I put one piston in with the ring gaps lined up. This caused excessive pressure in the crankcase and I was glad to fix it for the customer for free. What I did that probably was not really mine to do was, I removed the engine from the car even though I didn't install it and I will re-install it for free even though my warranty expressly states this is the customer responsibility and not mine. Sometimes you just have to bite the bullet and get on with it. I figured I didn't want one of my motors out there with a problem even if I had to do the removal and install. I am OK with it. Some sellers just are not as obliging.

And that Mr. Rogers is just why you are one of the "respectful best" in this hobby unlike those who could care less!

Pluck

[BRENT in 10-uh-C]

Originally Posted by ford1

Brent, you have found that miss spelled word, (psrt) and it seems to have made your day, i glad i made you happy, but your right we only have one side of the story, if he wants to stop by and give his i will be willing to listen and if need be change my mind, but need the other story before that can happen

That typo did not make my day nor did I even consider that it should make me happy ...and all I did was for the sake of being clear, made the notation. I did notice however, that you did not answer my question though.

You (--and so did Mr. Kohnke) basically made comments about Mr. Price knows he made a defective product, you say he admits it, and you say he does not plan to do anything about it. I am of the opinion those are very slanderous accusations that have the potential to cause great damage to someone's reputation if they were unfounded or untruthful. That is why I asked if those are factual statements that was personally heard or read from Mr. Price himself, --or whether those are statements based solely on what someone else said Mr. Price said.

[Jeff/Illinois]

In trying to wade through all of this and sort it out, it seems that a lot of the frustration coming from Matt (and I don't know the man) was indicated by him in post #12, where he indicated that he is presently without work and can not afford the extra parts he needs.

I feel that THIS is the root of the problem. He is taking his frustration out on Dan (whom I also do not know) for his situation at home.

I feel for folks that don't have employment it makes for a lot of bad feelings. It makes it especially tough when you want to enjoy the old car hobby and can not. We saw this in Skip's attitude here before he got booted off. He was a skilled individual who fell on hard times when the luxury boat business tanked.

This hobby isn't cheap. No money, no funny.

[Kohnke Rebabbitting]

Originally Posted by BRENT in 10-uh-C

That typo did not make my day nor did I even consider that it should make me happy ...and all I did was for the sake of being clear, made the notation. I did notice however, that you did not answer my question though.

You (--and so did Mr. Kohnke) basically made comments about Mr. Price knows he made a defective product, you say he admits it, and you say he does not plan to do anything about it. I am of the opinion those are very slanderous accusations that have the potential to cause great damage to someone's reputation if they were unfounded or untruthful. That is why I asked if those are factual statements that was personally heard or read from Mr. Price himself, --or whether those are statements based solely on what someone else said Mr. Price said.

Just my opinion on the post, just like yours!

By the way Mr, Nose, you have written several posts over the years hinting at Slander, Liable, Ect., Is that a way that you think you can shut any body up that does not have your view point, or is that a kind of way to make a few pennies from Heaven?

[BRENT in 10-uh-C]

Originally Posted by Kohnke Rebabbitting

Just my opinion on the post, just like yours!

By the way Mr, Nose, you have written several posts over the years hinting at Slander, Liable, Ect., Is that a way that you think you can shut any body up that does not have your view point, or is that a kind of way to make a few pennies from Heaven?

Herm, I don't why you are calling me "Mr. Nose" instead of by my proper name, ...and your second sentence is definitely not the way I feel however I honestly do not want any problems and this entire thread has become unhealthy for our hobby so I will respectfully bow out. Thank you all for your opinions & comments.

[ford1]

ok he may or may or may not have said what is posted as him saying that, the only way we will ever know is if he takes the time to stop by and tell what was supposed to be said is not true, until then we are left with the feeling the man was screwed, just let him stop in and say what was posted is not true and the man is mistaken, and give a short explaination why its not the truth, that would end this question of he said, i said, im going along with Brent, i bowing out of this post,

[Ryan]

Hey fellas, I'm fine with negative feedback... But, I think this one has gone a little too far and I'm not comfortable hosting the name calling and such.