39 Torque tube non standard bearing race

[Tubby]

I am working through the banjo on my '39. Thought I should upgrade the torque tube while I have it out. The rest of the car is all original (what I mean is if replacement parts were used they replicated the original parts).
But, when I looked at the bearing race on the torque tube (front), it is not split. Rather it is a solid race, definitely not original design.
Has anyone seen this style replacement race? And if so, how to remove in order to get to the seal?

[Kube]

Originally Posted by Tubby

I am working through the banjo on my '39. Thought I should upgrade the torque tube while I have it out. The rest of the car is all original (what I mean is if replacement parts were used they replicated the original parts).
But, when I looked at the bearing race on the torque tube (front), it is not split. Rather it is a solid race, definitely not original design.
Has anyone seen this style replacement race? And if so, how to remove in order to get to the seal?

Race on the torque tube? Huh?

[Tim Ayers]

Originally Posted by Tubby

I am working through the banjo on my '39. Thought I should upgrade the torque tube while I have it out. The rest of the car is all original (what I mean is if replacement parts were used they replicated the original parts).
But, when I looked at the bearing race on the torque tube (front), it is not split. Rather it is a solid race, definitely not original design.
Has anyone seen this style replacement race? And if so, how to remove in order to get to the seal?

Are you talking about the clam shell that is normally two pieces and bolts together with a recess for the grease seal?

If so, so race car clamshells are one piece and designed for a straight tube torque tube. It would be helpful if you can post of picture of the part you are referring to.

We're happy to help.

[19Fordy]

Which part in this pictorial are you dealing with?
Open and scroll down.
Is it 4655 ?
https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/...l-seal.941155/

[petehoovie]

Originally Posted by 19Fordy

Which part in this pictorial are you dealing with?
Open and scroll down.
Is it 4655 ?
https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/...l-seal.941155/

[Ken/Alabama]

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Originally Posted by Tubby

I am working through the banjo on my '39. Thought I should upgrade the torque tube while I have it out. The rest of the car is all original (what I mean is if replacement parts were used they replicated the original parts).
But, when I looked at the bearing race on the torque tube (front), it is not split. Rather it is a solid race, definitely not original design.
Has anyone seen this style replacement race? And if so, how to remove in order to get to the seal?

My 39 Zephyr had a solid race inside the torque tube. It came out with the seal . I thought it should have had a split race inside it but there was no dimple on the inside of the torque tube for the split race to locate into. It also had a grease fitting on the outside and the race has a hole that alignes with the fitting.

[Oldcarbearings]

ONLY the sleeve which houses 4645 is split it's made originally by HYATT also : BERLISS/BOWER/RBC/SKF also made it extremely expensive here in Australia to find/locate/source the OEM ORIGINAL FORD/HYATT type !!!!!, the FORD spare parts vendors in the USA have them far&way cheaper than what i have to pay for them form USA!!!!! , i can provide the aftermarket (bearing companies) part number for the sleeve?.....

[Tubby]

Yes, I am referring to 4655; most replacement guides indicate that this is a split shell that is twisted out of its detent with the appropriate tool.
But the race (shell) I have is solid.
Ken/Alabama; how did you remove the solid race and seal from your vehicle? I assume since it was a 39 it had a bearing in the middle of the torque tube.

[Oldcarbearings]

HYATT part number: 5150, BOWER F68-1236.

[Oldcarbearings]

Bower j663657/hyatt 00536,

[Brian]

This issue has come up and been discussed on here before. There is a thicker walled bearing outer race in some torque tubes from the factory. Try doing a search of earlier threads about this....

[Brian]

here is an earlier thread, made by you in 2017 about this bearing. https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showt...e+tube+bearing

[Terry,OH]

Yes some of the original Ford races were solid and not split.

[19Fordy]

Is it possible that the one piece bearing race was pressed in first, followed by the seal?
That would make it easier to remove the seal without having to remove the race.

[Tubby]

Brian,
Mea Culpa; Alzheimer's has set in.
By the way any tips on using the search feature? When I, for example, type in Torque Tube seal removal, I get back Torque tube answers, seal answers, making research inefficient. Other search sites allow coupling the search parameters such that your get a targeted search. Am I missing something?

[Kens 36]

Tubby,

Try putting your search terms in quotes.

Ken

[glennpm]

This is what I did along with good suggestions from 19Fordy.

https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showt...ue%2Atube+seal

[Ken/Alabama]

Originally Posted by 19Fordy

Is it possible that the one piece bearing race was pressed in first, followed by the seal?
That would make it easier to remove the seal without having to remove the race.

That’s not how mine was done. Mine was seal first then the race. O.D. Is the same.

[glennpm]

Originally Posted by Ken/Alabama

That’s not how mine was done. Mine was seal first then the race. O.D. Is the same.

It can only be done this way. The seal bottoms out on a raised lip. Doing it from the rearend could not be done with any torque tube center bearing, the restraining lip shown below and an awful long reach to set it against the race.

[19Fordy]

Glenn, Thanks for the arrow.