Bumper identification - smooth/no groove 33-36?

[ironandsteele]

Can anyone help me definitively identify these bumpers?

They are smooth, no grooves. They measure about 64 11/16 inches end to end. The spacing between the two center mounting holes (center to center) is 28"

I've heard and read about some European Fords having this style bumper with no lines in them. Is this true?

Hoping to verify one way or the other if they are European, and what year they would be for. They seem shorter than 35/36, but I could be wrong. I don't have a stock bumper on any of mine to compare them to...

Thank you in advance.

[mercman from oz]

Mystery Bumper Bars. They are the correct shape for 1936 but?

[Gary Tosel]

My 36 Ford bumpers have the curved ends that are 36 Ford only. 33,34 and 35 Ford bumpers are more straight up and down.

My bumper is about 60-1/2" long and hole spacing is 25-1/2" apart.

No grooves would indicate modified or custom design.

[mercman from oz]

1933, 1934, 1935 and 1936 Ford Bumpers are all different.
The 1933 and 1934 Bumpers have a single strip along the centre.
Difference is the position of the inner holes that attach it to the Irons.
The 1935 and 1936 Ford Bumpers have two strips down the centre.
Main difference is the ends - see photo 1936 Left, 1935 Right

[ironandsteele]

Thanks for the replies.

I'm well-versed in the differences between 1933, 1934, 1935 and 1936 Ford bumpers and am familiar with their nuances. I'm specifically wondering about these bumpers with no line in them. They aren't custom, or aftermarket. The backs are pitted and there is no line on the backsides like shown above (nobody took regular bumpers and simply filled/smoothed them) or any other signs that would point to them being altered.

They appear to have been manufactured just as they are and seem to be original bumpers.

Any help would be appreciated.

[Kube]

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Originally Posted by ironandsteele

Thanks for the replies.

I'm well-versed in the differences between 1933, 1934, 1935 and 1936 Ford bumpers and am familiar with their nuances. I'm specifically wondering about these bumpers with no line in them. They aren't custom, or aftermarket. The backs are pitted and there is no line on the backsides like shown above (nobody took regular bumpers and simply filled/smoothed them) or any other signs that would point to them being altered.

They appear to have been manufactured just as they are and seem to be original bumpers.

Any help would be appreciated.

After-market, mid 1970's issue.

[35fordtn]

1933 pickup bumpers do not have a groove however as kube stated those are Argentina 1936 repops

[fordv8j]

May be reproduction from J C Whitny, I put theirs on our 38 coupe, probably 40 years ago, they are smoothe on the back, no ridges

[rockfla]

[QUOTE=ironandsteele;2438615]Thanks for the replies.

I'm well-versed in the differences between 1933, 1934, 1935 and 1936 Ford bumpers and am familiar with their nuances. I'm specifically wondering about these bumpers with no line in them. They aren't custom, or aftermarket. The backs are pitted and there is no line on the backsides like shown above (nobody took regular bumpers and simply filled/smoothed them) or any other signs that would point to them being altered.

They appear to have been manufactured just as they are and seem to be original bumpers.

Any help would be

I like to think I am more versed than the average “Tragen” on Euro/German Ford’s….
YES, I can confirm that by and large, 33-36 German Fords “primarily” had “smooth” bumpers, I ALSO have “period” photographs of German Fords with lined bumpers….my theory was they were used when “USA”/Detroit supplied parts were slow or “held up” with importation (which was a constant for Ford of German) struggles Ford of Germany experienced especially getting up towards 1936!!!
NOW are they “originals”???? IF they are 35’s, regardless of originals OR Argentine reproductions, I would sure love to acquire them!!!

[ironandsteele]

Thanks guys. I have a hard time with the aftermarket from the 70's theory only because the back sides of these bumpers are very heavily pitted. They were stored in a nice, dry garage from 2000 when the gentleman that had them passed away, until I found them a few weeks ago. Unless they lived their life on The Titanic for the theoretical 30 years between the 1970s and 2000, I don't see how they could look that way.

I also had two friends measure the distance between the two mount holes in the front of their 1936 Fords, both reported 26" center to center. These bumpers are 28" center to center in the same area, so not sure how they could be 1935/36? Then again, I've read that on 33 and 34, the spacing is 22" or 26" so I don't know how to explain these bumpers having 28" spacing.

Here is a thread from this site where the non-groove European bumpers are talked about. The first mention starts at post #3:

https://fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=258720

[ironandsteele]

Here is how the backs look:

[rockfla]

Ironandsteele

At this point, we could pontificate and theorize to no end……AND suffice it to say…….i have no reason to discount your judgement……It is “possible” to have come from a “completely” custom bodied Ford….BY that I mean….I have a “few” photos of “completely custom bodied car where, yes the grill and even hood side vents are typical 33-35 Ford BUT the hood, fenders, cowl and body are completely custom in that none are recognizable as “common” to the year…..it is completely possible to have had “special” bumper brackets THUS “special”
Bolt spacing for the bumper? It is a possibility, ie truly one of a kind in all respects……and the likelihood hood of finding that “one” application would be next level impossible!!!

[petehoovie]

Originally Posted by ironandsteele

Here is how the backs look:

[ironandsteele]

Originally Posted by rockfla

Ironandsteele

At this point, we could pontificate and theorize to no end……AND suffice it to say…….i have no reason to discount your judgement……It is “possible” to have come from a “completely” custom bodied Ford….BY that I mean….I have a “few” photos of “completely custom bodied car where, yes the grill and even hood side vents are typical 33-35 Ford BUT the hood, fenders, cowl and body are completely custom in that none are recognizable as “common” to the year…..it is completely possible to have had “special” bumper brackets THUS “special”
Bolt spacing for the bumper? It is a possibility, ie truly one of a kind in all respects……and the likelihood hood of finding that “one” application would be next level impossible!!!

I totally agree with you.

[ironandsteele]

Originally Posted by petehoovie

How do I post the photos full size like that? And thank you for doing that.

[rockfla]

Ironandsteele

Just an FYI on Euro/German Fords, 1936 is the “least” of any year in my Photo library, very very little of 36’s

[ironandsteele]

Originally Posted by rockfla

Ironandsteele

Just an FYI on Euro/German Fords, 1936 is the “least” of any year in my Photo library, very very little of 36’s

Good to know. I appreciate the insight.

[Kube]

Originally Posted by ironandsteele

Thanks guys. I have a hard time with the aftermarket from the 70's theory only because the back sides of these bumpers are very heavily pitted. They were stored in a nice, dry garage from 2000 when the gentleman that had them passed away, until I found them a few weeks ago. Unless they lived their life on The Titanic for the theoretical 30 years between the 1970s and 2000, I don't see how they could look that way.

I also had two friends measure the distance between the two mount holes in the front of their 1936 Fords, both reported 26" center to center. These bumpers are 28" center to center in the same area, so not sure how they could be 1935/36? Then again, I've read that on 33 and 34, the spacing is 22" or 26" so I don't know how to explain these bumpers having 28" spacing.

Here is a thread from this site where the non-groove European bumpers are talked about. The first mention starts at post #3:

https://fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=258720

Ha! You were not around when this was stuff was imported. rest assured, wrapped up in your basement and it could (likely) appear as it does.
Argentina supplied a lot of repop parts back then. They were "iffy" at their veru best.

[ironandsteele]

Originally Posted by Kube

Ha! You were not around when this was stuff was imported. rest assured, wrapped up in your basement and it could (likely) appear as it does.
Argentina supplied a lot of repop parts back then. They were "iffy" at their veru best.

If you say so.

[rockfla]

As they say, curiosity killed the cat, what about the "large" trucks, IE Model 51's, I would assume either the knowledge that has already posted here and or Dave (Model51), Newc or GBSisson would have chimed in here to let Us know IF they were for the BIG trucks, panels, firetruck, etc etc???