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JM 35 Sedan · 02-12-2017, 08:58 PM

Here is the mounting I made, as mentioned in post #17, when putting an Optima 6V Red Top battery in my '35 fordor. It's nothing beautiful, just very functional for what I wanted. I really didn't care to go through the trouble and expense of hiding it in a script case because it's pretty much out of sight anyway under the floor. I had salvaged a couple strips of stainless U channel from a demolition site that just happened allow the Optima to fit perfectly, and all the other pieces were also laying around my shop. I'll also try to find the links to some other threads that show some different mounting ideas.

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OptimaJim · 02-13-2017, 10:33 AM

Hello, I noticed your conversation involving our products and wanted to offer some clarification on some of the questions and concerns that have been raised. First and foremost, the quality of our products has always been excellent and the batteries we are producing today are the best we have ever made. Many of the "bad" batteries returned to us under warranty now are just deeply-discharged and work fine, when properly-recharged.

If any battery is going to fail because of a manufacturing issue, it will likely do so well within the first month of use, if not the first few days. Beyond that, battery performance and lifespan is largely tied to how a battery is used and maintained. Newer vehicles with OnStar and other systems that stay active when the engine is off are more demanding on batteries than ever before. That also makes a quality battery maintenance device an excellent investment for any vehicle that doesn't see regular use.

The next retail associate who sits in on a meeting with us regarding a possible retail partnership will be the first. Many years ago, we discontinued a relationship with another retailer, who wanted to private-label our products. We never re-brand or re-spec our products for any of our retail partners, so we were willing to lose that business on that point alone. Another manufacturer who was willing to make changes to their products received that business. The Internet erupted with false theories that equated the replacement battery as being higher quality and our products as being lower, while ignoring whether private-labeling was even an issue.

Fast forward a few years later, the retailer changed their mind, the replacement battery is no longer offered at that retailer, but our branded products are once again. Now what? Did the other manufacturer's quality decline, did our quality improve or was there some other unrelated factor? I wouldn't get too hung up on theories, speculation or even statistical sample sizes that range from "me and my buddies" to "everyone I know." The manufacturers who have been in the market for years are all knowledgeable about what it takes to make a quality product. I would be surprised if any established manufacturer tried to pull a fast one in terms of quality with any of their retail partners.

The external dimensions of our 6-volt product has changed and the lid is now taller than it was previously. This was the result of adding venting provisions for an OE application. As a result, our 6-volt batteries may no longer fit inside period-correct appearing boxes, but that probably wasn't on anyone's radar when they were dealing with an OE contract, as the incremental OE volume was the primary driver in that decision.

Jim McIlvaine
eCare Manager, OPTIMA Batteries
www.facebook.com/optimabatteries

tubman · 02-13-2017, 10:39 AM

Thank you, Jim for coming on here and explaining this. From what I have seen, the manufacturers of Optima batteries have always been willing to "step up" and handle things in an appropriate manner. It would be a better world if all vendors of products such as this would do the same.

Graeme / New Zealand · 02-14-2017, 12:34 AM

I just use a regular lead/acid battery of the heaviest duty i can find in 6v and use that in conjunction with one of these charger/maintainers. Battery always charged and never fails me. http://www.saveabattery.com/.

GB

cordbob · 02-14-2017, 07:04 AM

I have had continual problems with Optima battery their quality seems to have gone down hill now that they are imported I would suggest you look at Odyssey Battery all United States military vehicles used Odyssey batteries made in America

JM 35 Sedan · 02-14-2017, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by cordbob

I have had continual problems with Optima battery their quality seems to have gone down hill now that they are imported I would suggest you look at Odyssey Battery all United States military vehicles used Odyssey batteries made in America

Can you give us all the details on the exact problems you have had with Optima batteries??

Adam/Mill Valley CA · 02-14-2017, 08:33 AM

Thank you, John, for all of the mounting tips; the PO of my truck already welded in an extension to the battery area to allow for a taller battery. Nowhere near as elegant as your solution, but functional enough to allow for a taller battery under the floor.And thank you Mr McIlvaine for your input, it's nice to see manufacturers' representatives responding on these kinds of forums. Insofar as Odyssey batteries, I do have one on my '67 Triumph motorcycle, which vibrates "slightly more" than a Ford V-8,and it has served very well; quite a bit more expensive than other batteries though. Not sure they make a 6V auto battery, either.

Adam

OptimaJim · 02-14-2017, 09:56 AM

I would also be interested in hearing more about cordbob's issues. His claim that our military single-sources batteries from one manufacturer is completely false. I would encourage anyone considering a battery purchase to review the warranty terms & conditions of any battery they are considering. Some brands will void their warranty if the battery is not charged and maintained within a very specific voltage range or the battery's voltage is found to be below a minimum level. Optima doesn't have such exclusions in their warranty, but it's better to know those types of things before making a purchase.

Jim McIlvaine
eCare Manager, OPTIMA Batteries
www.facebook.com/optimabatteries

Brendan · 02-14-2017, 10:38 AM

my Model A Roadster had a Optma in it. it ws in there when i bought the car. it was 10 years old. when i weBatterys to replace it i went to Interstate Battery. there was a guy there that said that one lasted a long time. but he also said that he used to buy optma for his tractors and equipment. but not any more. they don't last as long as the did in the past. i bought a rebuilt 12 volt for 45 bucks, if i get 3 years out of it i will be happy. i have allways bought the second from the bottom in battery's

supereal · 02-15-2017, 03:25 PM

My Optimas have lasted an average of 6-8 years.If you get less, it is likely due to either a high charging rate in your car, or a common charger used. I use the Battery Tender with mine and leave it on during storage. They are available for about thirty bucks. Mine came from Costco. You can check the Optima web site for more info.

02-13-2017, 10:33 AM	#22
OptimaJim Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 11	Re: Optima 6V battery quality? Hello, I noticed your conversation involving our products and wanted to offer some clarification on some of the questions and concerns that have been raised. First and foremost, the quality of our products has always been excellent and the batteries we are producing today are the best we have ever made. Many of the "bad" batteries returned to us under warranty now are just deeply-discharged and work fine, when properly-recharged. If any battery is going to fail because of a manufacturing issue, it will likely do so well within the first month of use, if not the first few days. Beyond that, battery performance and lifespan is largely tied to how a battery is used and maintained. Newer vehicles with OnStar and other systems that stay active when the engine is off are more demanding on batteries than ever before. That also makes a quality battery maintenance device an excellent investment for any vehicle that doesn't see regular use. The next retail associate who sits in on a meeting with us regarding a possible retail partnership will be the first. Many years ago, we discontinued a relationship with another retailer, who wanted to private-label our products. We never re-brand or re-spec our products for any of our retail partners, so we were willing to lose that business on that point alone. Another manufacturer who was willing to make changes to their products received that business. The Internet erupted with false theories that equated the replacement battery as being higher quality and our products as being lower, while ignoring whether private-labeling was even an issue. Fast forward a few years later, the retailer changed their mind, the replacement battery is no longer offered at that retailer, but our branded products are once again. Now what? Did the other manufacturer's quality decline, did our quality improve or was there some other unrelated factor? I wouldn't get too hung up on theories, speculation or even statistical sample sizes that range from "me and my buddies" to "everyone I know." The manufacturers who have been in the market for years are all knowledgeable about what it takes to make a quality product. I would be surprised if any established manufacturer tried to pull a fast one in terms of quality with any of their retail partners. The external dimensions of our 6-volt product has changed and the lid is now taller than it was previously. This was the result of adding venting provisions for an OE application. As a result, our 6-volt batteries may no longer fit inside period-correct appearing boxes, but that probably wasn't on anyone's radar when they were dealing with an OE contract, as the incremental OE volume was the primary driver in that decision. Jim McIlvaine eCare Manager, OPTIMA Batteries www.facebook.com/optimabatteries

02-13-2017, 10:39 AM	#23
tubman Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Minnesota, Florida Keys Posts: 10,434	Re: Optima 6V battery quality? Thank you, Jim for coming on here and explaining this. From what I have seen, the manufacturers of Optima batteries have always been willing to "step up" and handle things in an appropriate manner. It would be a better world if all vendors of products such as this would do the same.

02-14-2017, 12:34 AM	#24
Graeme / New Zealand Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Lower Hutt , New Zealand Posts: 2,127	Re: Optima 6V battery quality? I just use a regular lead/acid battery of the heaviest duty i can find in 6v and use that in conjunction with one of these charger/maintainers. Battery always charged and never fails me. http://www.saveabattery.com/. GB __________________ "you can't make honey out of dog sh*t" "You're a long time looking at the lid"

02-14-2017, 07:04 AM	#25
cordbob Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 74	Re: Optima 6V battery quality? I have had continual problems with Optima battery their quality seems to have gone down hill now that they are imported I would suggest you look at Odyssey Battery all United States military vehicles used Odyssey batteries made in America

02-14-2017, 08:33 AM	#27
Adam/Mill Valley CA Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mill Valley,CA Posts: 276	Re: Optima 6V battery quality? Thank you, John, for all of the mounting tips; the PO of my truck already welded in an extension to the battery area to allow for a taller battery. Nowhere near as elegant as your solution, but functional enough to allow for a taller battery under the floor.And thank you Mr McIlvaine for your input, it's nice to see manufacturers' representatives responding on these kinds of forums. Insofar as Odyssey batteries, I do have one on my '67 Triumph motorcycle, which vibrates "slightly more" than a Ford V-8,and it has served very well; quite a bit more expensive than other batteries though. Not sure they make a 6V auto battery, either. Adam __________________ 1936 pickup, stock, black 1965 Mustang coupe 289/4bbl, black/red 1971 Alfa Romeo GTV 1750 coupe, dark red/tan 1970 911E 2.2 litre dark blue/black 1968 BMW R50/2 US, black (m'cycle) 1967 Triumph TR6R , sea foam/cream (m'cycle) 2022 Royal Enfield Interceptor 650 red (m'cycle) 1974 Honda CB750 red (m'cycle) 2000 Kawasaki W650 blue/silver (m'cycle)

02-14-2017, 09:56 AM	#28
OptimaJim Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 11	Re: Optima 6V battery quality? I would also be interested in hearing more about cordbob's issues. His claim that our military single-sources batteries from one manufacturer is completely false. I would encourage anyone considering a battery purchase to review the warranty terms & conditions of any battery they are considering. Some brands will void their warranty if the battery is not charged and maintained within a very specific voltage range or the battery's voltage is found to be below a minimum level. Optima doesn't have such exclusions in their warranty, but it's better to know those types of things before making a purchase. Jim McIlvaine eCare Manager, OPTIMA Batteries www.facebook.com/optimabatteries

02-14-2017, 10:38 AM	#29
Brendan Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: At my kitchen table in Santa Rosa, Ca Posts: 2,905	Re: Optima 6V battery quality? my Model A Roadster had a Optma in it. it ws in there when i bought the car. it was 10 years old. when i weBatterys to replace it i went to Interstate Battery. there was a guy there that said that one lasted a long time. but he also said that he used to buy optma for his tractors and equipment. but not any more. they don't last as long as the did in the past. i bought a rebuilt 12 volt for 45 bucks, if i get 3 years out of it i will be happy. i have allways bought the second from the bottom in battery's __________________ If it would have been a snake it would have bit ya! i can't spell my way out of a paper bag!

02-15-2017, 03:25 PM	#30
supereal Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Iowa Posts: 1,634	Re: Optima 6V battery quality? My Optimas have lasted an average of 6-8 years.If you get less, it is likely due to either a high charging rate in your car, or a common charger used. I use the Battery Tender with mine and leave it on during storage. They are available for about thirty bucks. Mine came from Costco. You can check the Optima web site for more info.