What is a 34 Vickie complete unrestored worth

[Vics Stuff]

I know this question has been asked before , but I am looking at a 1934 Ford Vickie. Unrestored with all great sheet metal even the fenders and floor no rust through. Has a Flathead V8 with 3 speed transmission , complete drive train. Uncut dash but no interior. Window regulators are there . Roof has had a metal panel screwed over where the original insert was.
The seller has owned this car for a while and due to health reasons he must sell this car.
The big question is , with out pics what is this car worth. Does not wear original paint but is in old school primer.
Any ideas would be great.
Vic

[Lanny]

Vic, it is near impossible to answer your question with any accuracy.

If you would post as many good quality pictures as possible, and a
very good description of the frame, drive train, floors & sub floors,
interior, grill, good title, parts missing or poor quality, etc, etc, etc

Even with pictures and a very good description, the prices people
will tell you it is worth, will vary greatly, but you might get somewhat
of a ballpark idea of it's value.

Go by your gut-feeling of what it is worth to you....











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[Vics Stuff]

Lanny ! I would post some pics of the car but at this time I am holding off due to someone may snipe me. This has happened before. The chassis is complete and rolling no major rust anywhere on the car. Sub floors are excellent as I have learned on my 32 3 window body. The grill is original but does need work. Doors close properly as well as the window regulators operate . No seats or interior. Complete uncut dash. This vehicle does roll but not run.
Just curious as what they are worth. If I can not strike a deal on this I will pass the information on to others .
I have seen some on E Bay in street rod form done for $48,000.00 on up
Thanks Vic

[Vics Stuff]

34fivewindow . The one I am looking at is similar in condition to that one .
Vic

[WRA]

I was watching that one as well. Seems it went for $16,750. Last one I saw in the flesh was slightly better than that one. Been sitting for years with a lot of surface rust in the original paint. Matching engine, tranny and clear title. That one went or $21k.

Thats in the ballpark IMO. More than I could afford.

[Scott H in Wheaton]

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Prices in California, the hot rod and custom car mecca, could be greatly different than in Alaska, assuming the one you found is close to home.

[rockfla]

I would start by asking A) What are your plans for the car? B) "IF" originality is the goal....THEN>>>>>is it the correct flathead for 1934, Aluminum heads or no? C) Are all the Victoria "only" pieces there?? Window garnish moldings? ETC ETC. D) what shape is the grill in, that's ball park $3000 for a repro and or depending $3000+ to chrome plate. So what are your plans for it???

[Ol' Ron]

Only as much as your willing to pay for it.

[V12Bill]

Probably about $16,293.18

[Vics Stuff]

The sad thing is if the vehicle was here in Alaska in that kind of condition , it would only be worth $8,000. Vehicles here do not bring the $$$ like in America .
Really not up to spending $$$ for another project.
Vic

[Bulligen]

Offer him something, you can always go up from there! 10k sounds good!

[roadster36]

I was looking for a '33/'34 Victoria to build a while back. After I did my homework and looked at the prices for paint, interior, chrome work,materials, etc. I decided to buy one already done. I have not regretted it for one minute. The market and hobby have drastically changed in the last few years. If you are lucky and frugal you will be only be in that car for double what you could have bought a completed car for. Look at the prices on Barrett Jackson, Mecum, etc.and you will see well done cars selling at a huge discount to build cost. I have built a lot of cars over the years and would not even consider doing another ground up project. I have been offered "super" deals on some pretty solid '34's and passed because the numbers are not there. I never did it to make a buck, but knowing you are going to take a bath from the start is not a good motivation, at least for me. Buy one done and go visit your buddies while they are working on their projects. You will be a lot happier.- Dennis

[Jim in Wisconsin]

Regardless of the economics, if no one buys a non-running old Ford and fixes it up, how could there be any for the people who want to buy a completed one?
If the owner isn't up to completing it, and you are and would like to do it - you should!
Something around 10 grand seems reasonable to me. Missing parts are bad, try to get as much stuff as you can. Maybe the seat frames are around his place somewhere?

[Lawson Cox]

Originally Posted by Vics Stuff

The sad thing is if the vehicle was here in Alaska in that kind of condition , it would only be worth $8,000. Vehicles here do not bring the $$$ like in America .
Really not up to spending $$$ for another project.
Vic

What's up Vic? Don't you consider yourself an American? living in America and being in one of the 50 United States of America. You need to stop and think about what you said above. If you are thinking of the 48 contiguous states as being "America" Go back and study your first grade history books.

[Karl]

Originally Posted by roadster36

I was looking for a '33/'34 Victoria to build a while back. After I did my homework and looked at the prices for paint, interior, chrome work,materials, etc. I decided to buy one already done. I have not regretted it for one minute. The market and hobby have drastically changed in the last few years. If you are lucky and frugal you will be only be in that car for double what you could have bought a completed car for. Look at the prices on Barrett Jackson, Mecum, etc.and you will see well done cars selling at a huge discount to build cost. I have built a lot of cars over the years and would not even consider doing another ground up project. I have been offered "super" deals on some pretty solid '34's and passed because the numbers are not there. I never did it to make a buck, but knowing you are going to take a bath from the start is not a good motivation, at least for me. Buy one done and go visit your buddies while they are working on their projects. You will be a lot happier.- Dennis

Dennis Very very wise words ! I to have restored cars form the ground up and enjoyed it immensely but the enjoyment was very expensive. Now I tend to buy cars that have been nicely done by others. I still find plenty of small things to do on them after I buy them which keeps me happy with out bankrupting me -Karl

[Ralph Moore]

Vic,
There's a 34 Fordor up here, complete, but apart, and painted purple for some unGodly reason. He was asking ten grand about eight years ago....and still is.

[Vics Stuff]

Lawson ! I do consider myself an American but when I always order parts , many of the vendor do not ship to Alaska and I have found many E Bay listings will not even allow us to bid even if I were to use a Minnesota or Nevada address. Go figure.
Roadster34 you are correct in your statement but I think that I am a glutten for punnishment. Always looking for projects to sharpen my building skills. I just sold my 1941 Ford pick up to my best friend for $15,000.00. It was a rotissoried truck 25 years ago. Had a flathead V8 with offenhauser finned heads , offenhauser tri power , fenton cast iron headers and internally gone through with a merc crank.
That was all it was worth here. I had way more in it than that. but learned a lot on that build.
I am going to make an offer on the car in the next few days and see what happens. If not a deal struck i will spend the cash on my 32 3 window projects.
Thanks guys for your input and will report back on the final outcome.
Vic

[Bassman/NZ]

I'm a little dismayed by some of the replies here. Whatever happened to scrounging and ingenuity? My AV8 started as a rusty, bare shell lying on its side. Took me five years of scrounging, swapping, passing on parts that were too expensive, learning how to do this and that, and now it is a fully legal driving car. I taught myself bodywork, frame building, wiring, painting, upholstery, engine and rear end building, the whole darned thing. The best part? Well apart from doing the whole thing myself....... it cost me less than some guys around here have spent on getting their paint jobs done.

[theHIGHLANDER]

Wow, it's 1993 all over again? Back then most every collector car publication declared those having or doing restorations as being stupid (yes, some articles even used the word stupid). Since when did we all become dealers looking to turn a profit? Since when is the cost to "get there from here" considered the end-all do-all? I guess it's perfectly acceptable to buy a new Bentley at something over $200K, only to have it be worth $90-100K 5 years and less than 20K miles later. Boys n girls, we're dealing with a finite resource here. This isn't like oil or gold with vast amounts yet to be harvested. Even though some provide a service to find/buy/sell this stuff to end users, that's not everyone. At the end of the day these are indeed tangible assets that require the desire and discipline to get them done, far exceeding the general personal transportation industry. If it is truly stupid to restore cars then I must be associating with genuine Neanderthals. Totally ignorant dumb bastards for the work they have me do. Do we really think this is the case? I don't, I never have, I never will. If you want to play "American Picker" then go right ahead and I wish you luck. If you want to declare the other side of this as some ignorant folly, well maybe my glutes have a kiss coming.

Trust me, I'm being as nice and charitable as I can be on this topic. Y'all might ban me for saying it like I really want to. And I think that Vicky is probably worth a low of $7K or a high of $10K. I'm sure the Frank and Mike set would declare 1/2 of that but I'll stand pat with those figures.

[TJ]

Originally Posted by theHIGHLANDER

Wow, it's 1993 all over again? Back then most every collector car publication declared those having or doing restorations as being stupid (yes, some articles even used the word stupid). Since when did we all become dealers looking to turn a profit? Since when is the cost to "get there from here" considered the end-all do-all? I guess it's perfectly acceptable to buy a new Bentley at something over $200K, only to have it be worth $90-100K 5 years and less than 20K miles later. Boys n girls, we're dealing with a finite resource here. This isn't like oil or gold with vast amounts yet to be harvested. Even though some provide a service to find/buy/sell this stuff to end users, that's not everyone. At the end of the day these are indeed tangible assets that require the desire and discipline to get them done, far exceeding the general personal transportation industry. If it is truly stupid to restore cars then I must be associating with genuine Neanderthals. Totally ignorant dumb bastards for the work they have me do. Do we really think this is the case? I don't, I never have, I never will. If you want to play "American Picker" then go right ahead and I wish you luck. If you want to declare the other side of this as some ignorant folly, well maybe my glutes have a kiss coming.

Trust me, I'm being as nice and charitable as I can be on this topic. Y'all might ban me for saying it like I really want to. And I think that Vicky is probably worth a low of $7K or a high of $10K. I'm sure the Frank and Mike set would declare 1/2 of that but I'll stand pat with those figures.

I have a simple answer to your long winded screed against buying a finished car. It's simply called age. Most of us that relate to old V-8's are 65 or over. We have a limited time on the planet and maybe limited funds. At this point in our lives do we want to spend 5-7 years and gobs of money on a project or do we buy a finished car and enjoy the fun of driving it now? Do we leave a bunch of projects to the widow that she can't sell or do we leave her driveable cars she can sell immediately? There's very few kids waiting in line to buy V-8 project cars, and most young people have no interest in them .They are looking at a used Honda with a big stereo.
It's sound advice to the first time buyer to get finished car. I give this advice frequently to new people to the hobby as most are over 65 and have no idea of the related COSTS and TIME to build a project. Everyone can make the decision for themselves, but I would rather be driving my finished V-8 than sitting at home for several years with a project and wishing I was out on a tour with my friends. BTW the cars I have were once my projects, but now they are finished and I have no desire to start anything new at this age.