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joshhirst13 02-27-2018 06:33 PM

Getting my 1931 Model A Coupe go start
 

Hey guys,
I just picked up my Model A Coupe a few weeks ago & Im having issues getting it started. I can't even get it to turn over or make a noise. It's got a freshly charged battery on it, I removed the positive/ground cable & used a wire brush to clean up the contact. I also cleaned up the contact under the starter switch & negative battery cable connection to the starter switch. I turn on the ignition switch, push the clutch in, trans in neutral, push the starter switch pedal & I get absolutely nothing. The previous owner installed blinkers, which I get power to, as well as power to the headlights & tail lights. I'm not sure where to go from there. Maybe new battery cables? Maybe new ignition coil? I'm pretty pathetic when it comes to electrical stuff. I have a voltage tester, just don't know what to check. Any suggestions would help.
Thanks

joshhirst13 02-27-2018 06:35 PM

Re: Getting my 1931 Model A Coupe go start
 

Also if you guys tell me how to post pictures I'd be happy to put a couple pics of my car.
Thanks

PRG999 02-27-2018 06:42 PM

Re: Getting my 1931 Model A Coupe go start
 

The starter may be jammed up. With the power off, Put the car in 3rd gear get out and push the car to get it to rock back and forth. I cant recall if you can hear the starter disengage or not. But if you can get the car rocken it should free up. Then try to start it.

PG

Dbbc 02-27-2018 06:51 PM

Re: Getting my 1931 Model A Coupe go start
 

Obviously issues with the starter. Is the battery fully charged? maybe to low to kick the starter.
Just to isolate the problem, have you try to remove the spark plug and lay one of them on the block and hand crank it to see if you have spark?

joshhirst13 02-27-2018 07:08 PM

Re: Getting my 1931 Model A Coupe go start
 

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Originally Posted by PRG999 (Post 1598842)
The starter may be jammed up. With the power off, Put the car in 3rd gear get out and push the car to get it to rock back and forth. I cant recall if you can hear the starter disengage or not. But if you can get the car rocken it should free up. Then try to start it.

PG

I've tried this, but for some reason I can't seem to get it into 3rd gear. When I think it's in gear I get out & push & the car just rolls like it's in neutral. Seems to slide into all of the other gears with no issues. Maybe I wrong. Maybe I should just pull the starter & bench test it???

joshhirst13 02-27-2018 07:10 PM

Re: Getting my 1931 Model A Coupe go start
 

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dbbc (Post 1598849)
Obviously issues with the starter. Is the battery fully charged? maybe to low to kick the starter.
Just to isolate the problem, have you try to remove the spark plug and lay one of them on the block and hand crank it to see if you have spark?

No I haven't tried this yet. I will. I've never ysed a hand crank so how fast do I need to crank it to get spark & how hard should it be to crank?

joshhirst13 02-27-2018 07:10 PM

Re: Getting my 1931 Model A Coupe go start
 

& yes the battery is fully charged.

1931 flamingo 02-27-2018 07:16 PM

Re: Getting my 1931 Model A Coupe go start
 

If it won't go into 3rd try putting it in 2nd and rock it back and forth, then try starter. FWIW
Paul in CT

joshhirst13 02-27-2018 09:38 PM

Re: Getting my 1931 Model A Coupe go start
 

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Originally Posted by 1931 flamingo (Post 1598867)
If it won't go into 3rd try putting it in 2nd and rock it back and forth, then try starter. FWIW
Paul in CT

Should I hear something or feel something when I do this. What am I looking for?
Thanks
Josh

Brian SATX 02-27-2018 09:55 PM

Re: Getting my 1931 Model A Coupe go start
 

You should hear a clunk when the starter releases. You may have to rock it 6-10 times. Did it start when you got it? Check to see if there is a master cut off someplace. Also, turn your headlights on. IF they work, it is most likely a starter issue.

joshhirst13 02-27-2018 10:50 PM

Re: Getting my 1931 Model A Coupe go start
 

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian SATX (Post 1598961)
You should hear a clunk when the starter releases. You may have to rock it 6-10 times. Did it start when you got it? Check to see if there is a master cut off someplace. Also, turn your headlights on. IF they work, it is most likely a starter issue.

I put it in second gear & was able to push the car backwards with no clunking. Just sounds like compression of the motor turning. No the car didn't run when I got it. Still not starting. I was thinking the same thing about a cut off switch, but can't seem to find one. The guy that did have it before me did do a bunch of extra wiring. Front & rear blinkers, secondary horn, he has to coils mounted on the firewall. One has nothing going to it. Not sure what that's all about.

joshhirst13 02-27-2018 11:14 PM

Re: Getting my 1931 Model A Coupe go start
 

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian SATX (Post 1598961)
You should hear a clunk when the starter releases. You may have to rock it 6-10 times. Did it start when you got it? Check to see if there is a master cut off someplace. Also, turn your headlights on. IF they work, it is most likely a starter issue.

And yes. Headlights, tail lights, blinkers, horn all work.
Thank to everyone for all of your help. I'm sure I'll get it eventually.

cpf240 02-27-2018 11:25 PM

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Question: If you turn the lights headlights on, so that you can see them from inside the car, do they dim when the starter button is depressed?

This would tell you if the starter is drawing any sort of load.

Some have said that if it has the fuse mounted to the starter, that sometimes the screws used could be too long, causing issues with the starter.

Just a thought...

J Franklin 02-27-2018 11:36 PM

Re: Getting my 1931 Model A Coupe go start
 

Time to either give it a jump with another battery or do a bench test. If your test device will show continuity or ohms, double check the connections and make sure the starter case is grounded well.

cpf240 02-27-2018 11:56 PM

Re: Getting my 1931 Model A Coupe go start
 

Another silly thought, if this is your first A... is the right pedal being pushed for the starter? It can be easy to mistake the accelerator or footrest for the starter button/pedal. :)

J Franklin 02-28-2018 12:06 AM

Re: Getting my 1931 Model A Coupe go start
 

Another silly thought, maybe the starter switch is faulty.

abachman3 02-28-2018 10:10 AM

Re: Getting my 1931 Model A Coupe go start
 

I too think the starter switch may be the issue. Remove the switch (shiny piece on top of starter) and then jumper the battery cable to the copper disk on the starter unit. The starter should spin if it is alright.

katy 02-28-2018 10:27 AM

Re: Getting my 1931 Model A Coupe go start
 

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Originally Posted by joshhirst13 (Post 1598840)
Also if you guys tell me how to post pictures I'd be happy to put a couple pics of my car.
Thanks

To post pictures, click on the Go advanced box, then click on the paper clip icon and you're in business. Simple.

joshhirst13 02-28-2018 10:29 AM

Re: Getting my 1931 Model A Coupe go start
 

Quote:

Originally Posted by abachman3 (Post 1599113)
I too think the starter switch may be the issue. Remove the switch (shiny piece on top of starter) and then jumper the battery cable to the copper disk on the starter unit. The starter should spin if it is alright.

I'll be doing this with the negative cable/terminal while leaving the positive ground connected to the vehicle correct?

joshhirst13 02-28-2018 10:30 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cpf240 (Post 1599000)
Another silly thought, if this is your first A... is the right pedal being pushed for the starter? It can be easy to mistake the accelerator or footrest for the starter button/pedal. :)

Yes. I know I'm using the correct pedal. Push rod goes through firewall & pushes on the starter switch.


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