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36tbird 03-07-2014 09:47 AM

Ain't a Flathead, but gear heads may like it
 

Not a flathead, but hands on mechanic guys may get a kick out of this.

http://pixelbark.com/13045/how-the-d...bustion-engine

Reminds me of the post a while back about the engine without a cam, valves driven by computer controlled actuators. Anyone know if more has come from that?

Old Henry 03-07-2014 10:37 AM

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This reminds me of the old rotary piston aircraft engines where the whole block and pistons spun around the crankshaft. Never understood how those worked but are fascinating to me as is this duke engine. It just doesn't' seem like it would produce the low end torque that a conventional engine does.

VeryTangled 03-07-2014 10:48 AM

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Amazing, it doesn't have a spark plug for each cylinder!

Anyone know what the application is? Automobiles or marine or what?

-VT/JeffH

More on Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axial_engine

Ross F-1 03-07-2014 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by VeryTangled (Post 836893)

Anyone know what the application is?

Vacuuming money out of investor's wallets, I would guess...:confused:

I don't see any hope of the seals at the top of those cylinders holding out for a hundred thousand miles. I am impressed that they actually have a working prototype, that's more than many of the hundreds of alternative engines can claim.

ford38v8 03-07-2014 12:22 PM

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That's fascinating! The unique problems to overcome must keep them awake nights! This being the 3rd generation, they may be ready for a production decision by about the 10th generation! :eek:

Binx 03-07-2014 12:54 PM

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This is really nothing more than adapting the design of a Vickers rotary variable-volume hydraulic pump.

Lonnie

Ross F-1 03-07-2014 12:56 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Binx (Post 836952)
This is really nothing more than adapting the design of a Vickers rotary variable-volume hydraulic pump.

Lonnie

Not a whole lot different than a swashplate A/C compressor either.

Jack E/NJ 03-07-2014 01:57 PM

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Which do you like better? Jack E/NJ

http://i822.photobucket.com/albums/z...psee8d3a06.gifhttp://i822.photobucket.com/albums/z...ert/radial.gif

29AVEE8 03-07-2014 02:27 PM

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Would love to see the valvetrain.

Ross F-1 03-07-2014 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 29AVEE8 (Post 836983)
Would love to see the valvetrain.

There is none, it is piston-ported like a 2-stroke.

36tbird 03-07-2014 02:43 PM

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"Would love to see the valvetrain."

The gist I got out of it was no valvetrain. Looks like the pistons draw in fuel as they pass a cylinder with an intake port and expel the spent gases when they pass a cylinder with the exhaust port.

Shadetree 03-07-2014 02:59 PM

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Looks like the mechanical advantage of the power stroke of the pistons would be lessened on this engine versus a crankshaft engine, generating less torque. Too, it looks like it would require more torque on the compression stroke than a conventional engine.

sidevalve8ba 03-07-2014 03:00 PM

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Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that basically the same setup as the swash-plate compressors used on modern day auto air conditioning? Sure looks like it to me.

Jack E/NJ 03-07-2014 03:22 PM

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Yeah, I think so except the Duke plate is the stator while the block with the pistons is the rotor. Like Lou suggests, porting seems similar to the Wankel rotary.

Jack E/NJ

jimTN 03-07-2014 05:22 PM

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Sort of also using the sleeve valve engine concept in a different manner combined with modern rotary design

Rowdy 03-07-2014 05:36 PM

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Another variation of the radial engine as stated above. Wonder whatever happened to the cam engine being experiemented with in the late 80's. It was somewhat aproved by the FAA and then faded into obscurity. Rod

Binx 03-07-2014 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack E/NJ (Post 836974)


Personally, I'm a big fan of the stationary crank WWI radials with the entire engine spinning with the prop. Full throttle all the time. Kill switch to slow it down. That must have been a handful!!

Lonnie

Lawrie 03-07-2014 08:55 PM

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That looks like something flathead Ted would be involved with.
There is a diesel engine in the Motat museum that looks similar.
Lawrie

Jack E/NJ 03-07-2014 10:05 PM

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The gnome & a few other rotaries at Glenn Curtiss museum, hport, nyhttp://i822.photobucket.com/albums/z...ps04a3ce9f.gif

rotorwrench 03-08-2014 07:54 PM

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That rotary wobble plate is going to have a lot of stress on it for the long haul since the power stroke won't be too equal with the opposite strokes. As was mentioned before, It's hard to figure how well the cylinder barrel will seal against the valve plate and not score the hell out of it. It's like an old Frigidaire compressor on steroids. If they used any more than 5-cylinders, it would be as big as a 55 gallon drum.


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