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flathead47 12-20-2010 04:25 PM

Mitchell overdrive
 

I am thinking about installing a mitchell overdrive unit in a 46 - 48 ford convertible. Does anyone have experience with this, installation tips, pictures of installation , was it worth the effort. Thanks.

oldford2 12-20-2010 05:39 PM

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I am considering one for our 46 so will be interested in the response to this post. I understand they are a quality gear changer and relatively easy to install. John

uncle max 12-20-2010 05:49 PM

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Five hours to install - no looking back. Literally.

John T 12-20-2010 05:52 PM

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Have one in my 38 Ford and it is great.

52merc 12-20-2010 07:45 PM

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i believe theres a couple of ratios that you can get with this set up hopfully someone who has one in a car like yours will advise trev:)

jerry grayson 12-20-2010 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by oldford2 (Post 129898)
I am considering one for our 46 so will be interested in the response to this post. I understand they are a quality gear changer and relatively easy to install. John

Most 46's have a 3.54 rear gear and an overdrive is going to result in serious underpower.

Bruce Compton, Canada 12-20-2010 09:19 PM

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I have one in my "36 and it's great. My '36 has a 3.78 rear and I have the "36"% Mitchell. Overall I believe they are a well built rugged overdrive that provides a viable option over the pricey and somewhat fragile Columbia if you're not into counting judging points at a car show. Before you order one, do the math on their advertised ratios as they think that overdrive "ratio" and "reduction" are the same. In Reality their "36 % " reduction is actually around 29% ( same as the Borg-Warner and Columbia ratios) while their "26%" is really closer to 20%. If your rear end ratio is 3.78 or higher, I'd suggest getting their 36%. It makes a huge difference in driveability that you will really enjoy. Bruce

52merc 12-20-2010 10:02 PM

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i think you will find its 3.78 standard ratio for 46fords

flathead47 12-20-2010 10:26 PM

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My 47 has a 4.11 rear gear and is basically a 50-55 mph car. I have considered the 3.54 rear gear as an option , but the mitchell overdrive seems like a interesting solution to easily obtain a 65 mph car. I do not want to modify the floor of the car or have any clearance problems with the installation so that is why I was hoping there would be some pictures out there from someone who has installed one in a 46-48 ford.

flatmotor40 12-21-2010 06:07 AM

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I put one in my 40 conv and it was a 36% and it does great and if you see a long hill just speed up a little and it will do just fine.Sue was really helpful because I bought it and it was a year or so before I finished the car and they siad they would make it good anyway so great people to work with

flatmotor40 12-21-2010 06:09 AM

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I forgot ot tell you I oped for the cable because I didn't want a hole in the new floor

Django 12-21-2010 12:40 PM

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I saw their ad in the V8 Times and was intrigued myself. How much are they?

John T 12-21-2010 01:21 PM

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In my 36 Coupe I have a 354 rear and a 36% Mitchell and it works fine, but I do have a approx 370 cu. in. flathead for power.

38 coupe 12-21-2010 06:35 PM

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Does anyone have pictures of the Mitchell installed under their vehicle and of the control, either cable or shifter?

41PICUP 12-21-2010 06:45 PM

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I have one in my 41 pickup, running 3:54s, love it.
Easy install, take oout the old torque tube and driveshaft, then bolt in the Mitchell.
Any questions, call and talk to Sue Mitchell, she has all the answers, good people to deal with. Cost is about $2100. Either 26% or 36% overdrive.

38 coupe 12-21-2010 07:03 PM

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Thanks for the picture. That looks like it would hit the floor under my 37 (and 38 and 39 and my Dad's 40). Does anyone have pictures of one installed under a passenger car?

CarPapa 12-21-2010 10:01 PM

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Wanted to use one in my '34 sedan, but would have had to cut the seat riser and floor. Decided against it.

Walt Dupont--Me. 12-21-2010 10:08 PM

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Hey John T, tell me a little bit more about your 370ci flathead. That really snapped me awake. Walt

52merc 12-21-2010 10:18 PM

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me to !! :)

flatmotor40 12-22-2010 06:14 AM

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What I had to do was move the shift arm to the bottom instead of top so it would not hit the floor when you hit a bump or someone was in the bask seat.But I had put Posie reverse eye springs on mine and it lowered it a little but teh only difference is the engage you push in instead of pull out the cable.Sue was a great help and I used syn 90w oil in mine

38 coupe 12-22-2010 08:13 AM

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flatmotor40, can you post pictures of your installation? That would be great.

19Fordy 12-22-2010 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by 38 coupe (Post 130698)
flatmotor40, can you post pictures of your installation? That would be great.

Yes, Please do. I would like to see what the entire unit looks like installed -including the shift mechanism. Thanks.

Kahuna 12-22-2010 11:10 AM

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I also want to see the 370 CI flathead

40Pickup 12-22-2010 11:17 AM

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Not a Mitchell overdrive, perhaps it will interest anyone anyway.
Built my from a Volvo 240/740 (Laycook) overdrive. Mounted it in my 40 pickup, I use an electric switch to activate the one seen in the photo.

/40Pickup

Django 12-22-2010 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by 40Pickup (Post 130806)
Not a Mitchell overdrive, perhaps it will interest anyone anyway.
Built my from a Volvo 240/740 (Laycook) overdrive. Mounted it in my 40 pickup, I use an electric switch to activate the one seen in the photo.

/40Pickup

Very interesting! Can you give us more details on what you had to do to make it work?

John T 12-22-2010 08:06 PM

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Some times I hit the wrong key. Should have been 270 cu. in.

Kahuna 12-22-2010 08:53 PM

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40Pickup
Is that a lockout switch on the shift housing to disable the O/D in reverse?
Thanks
Jim

40Pickup 12-24-2010 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Django (Post 130816)
Very interesting! Can you give us more details on what you had to do to make it work?

Let me come back later, Santa Claus knocking on my door.
Merry Christmas to you all.

/40Pickup

Mart 12-24-2010 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Django (Post 130816)
Very interesting! Can you give us more details on what you had to do to make it work?

I, too, would be VERY interested in the details of this conversion - I have all the parts laid out in my garage and am about to try and make one myself.

I must say your conversion looks first class and would appear to be a neat and efficient unit.

Do you have any pictures of:
The adaption of the torque tube to the front of the unit?
The adaption of the driveshaft to the front of the unit?
Mods to the tailshaft housing?
The final driveshaft from the unit to the diff pinion.

Some questions..
Was any resplining involved?
The positioning of the unit near the rear end of the torque tube - is there an advantage to this, or could the unit be fitted almost anywhere along the length?
Is the lubrication of the unit self contained or shared with the axle?


I envisage mine being a home brew job with lots of welded up shafts and parts, with the od unit towards the front of the shaft.
To be able to see details of one already made up would be a great advantage.

Thanks in advance, hope you can help.

Merry Christmas.

Mart.

40Pickup 12-24-2010 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Kahuna (Post 131084)
40Pickup
Is that a lockout switch on the shift housing to disable the O/D in reverse?
Thanks
Jim


Yes, quite true Jim!
I use the same function that is as original in the Volvo. So the O / D can only be linked to the (in this case) third gear. In low gear, the risk that it will be to low oil pressure in the O / D, and you can burn the clutch on the O / D. The lockout switch is perhaps not necessary, but it makes it easier for my wife not having to think about this when she is driving the pickup.

/ 40Pickup

40Pickup 12-25-2010 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Mart (Post 131771)
I, too, would be VERY interested in the details of this conversion - I have all the parts laid out in my garage and am about to try and make one myself.

I must say your conversion looks first class and would appear to be a neat and efficient unit.

Do you have any pictures of: = For the most part, I take photos while on what I do, but unfortunately not this time.
But I shall attempt to come back with some drawings that would clarify.

The adaption of the torque tube to the front of the unit?
The adaption of the driveshaft to the front of the unit?
Mods to the tailshaft housing?
The final driveshaft from the unit to the diff pinion.

Some questions..
Was any resplining involved? = No

The positioning of the unit near the rear end of the torque tube - is there an advantage to this, or could the unit be fitted almost anywhere along the length? = If I understand correctly, you should keep the unsprung weight as low as possible and therefore the O / D when mounted as far forward as possible, while you have to take into account whether there is sufficient space.


Is the lubrication of the unit self contained or shared with the axle? = Self contained (ATF).


I envisage mine being a home brew job with lots of welded up shafts and parts, with the od unit towards the front of the shaft.
To be able to see details of one already made up would be a great advantage.

Thanks in advance, hope you can help.

Merry Christmas.

Mart.


Mart, hope this can help a bit, see the text above.

/ 40Pickup

40Pickup 12-25-2010 08:15 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by flathead47 (Post 129861)
I am thinking about installing a mitchell overdrive unit in a 46 - 48 ford convertible. Does anyone have experience with this, installation tips, pictures of installation , was it worth the effort. Thanks.



Flathead47, it was not meant that I would intrude on your thread.
I apologize for that!

/ 40Pickup

John T 12-25-2010 08:20 AM

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Some times I hit the wrong key. It should have read 270 cu. in.

John T 12-25-2010 08:26 AM

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Some times I it the wrong key. it should have read 270 cu. in.

Mart 12-25-2010 08:35 AM

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40Pickup:
Thanks for the reply - drawings would be great.

John T:
Yes, you do seem to be having keyboard problems.

Flathead47: Sorry for the hi-jack.

Merry Christmas to all.. Dinner's on the table so I'll check out for now.

Mart.

flatmotor40 12-25-2010 09:27 AM

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have not figured out how to send pics not good at computer need 10 yr old but no one around I'll try

flathead47 12-25-2010 12:05 PM

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40Pickup & Mart no apologizes required , it is all good information ..... Thank you to all who have input with this thread so far ..... Merry Christmas to all

jerry grayson 12-25-2010 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 52merc (Post 130041)
i think you will find its 3.78 standard ratio for 46fords

Maybe in NZ, but 3.54 in US

JM 35 Sedan 12-25-2010 03:52 PM

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[QUOTE=John T;131053]Some times I hit the wrong key. Should have been 270 cu. in.[/QUOTE

I thought maybe you meant 270 instead of 370. I built a 284 and first thought man... what in the world did he do to get to 370 ci ?

40Pickup 12-30-2010 05:33 AM

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Some drawings of my overdrive conversion. Hope it can be useful!
It is free to come with questions.

/ 40Pickup


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