Trouble finding an air filter
 

I bought this air cleaner so I could use it on my 56 Fairlane after changing the manifold and carb. The air cleaner is supposedly from a late 50's or very earl 60's Ford product. It fits the Autolite 4100 carb perfectly. The problem is I can't find a filter for it. The filter I think I need should probably be:
Top - 10.39" O.D., 7.28" I.D
Bottom - 9.78" O.D, 7.28" I.D
possibly 3.22" tall.

I'm stumped. It's a Ford product. It shouldn't be that hard to find.
No catalog shows a filter that will fit. The closest one I found is from a Desoto. It fits but not perfectly.
I think the filter I need might be an AC A82C filter but I haven't found the dimensions for it.
https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/attac...1&d=1512338858

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Not sure this helps, and I wouldn’t pay this for NOS stuff that decomposes.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-NOS...-/351677823294

Maybe an Edsel site has a replacement/solution that works.

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Yours looks very similar to mine...if you check my blog thread you can see quite a few photos. Want me to check my filter number?

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If the E-Bay info is correct, (and I do not find the PN on GOOGLE), A82C may be discontinued.

AC does have a current PN, A2882C for the period application. It gives no sizes.

Maybe contact AC?

https://www.acdelco.com/contact-us.html

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Get a WIX paper catalog,, listings by size

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I think I asked you some time ago when your engine was still on a stand or was just installed. You had mentioned the height and it was shorter than mine.

I'll check with that new number.

I think that's how I found my Desoto filter.

I saw that. I wouldn't pay any kind of money for something that old that will end up as dust in my carb.
That's one of the listings where I found the part number.

Thanks everyone.

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Post up some pictures of that air filter from all angles along with the dimensions.

I have a 58 retractable currently in the shop and I believe its the same air cleaner.

Its a 332 engine. It uses a Purolater A40013 element.

The Purolator specs are below and are close to what you are asking for.

https://aftermarketfiltrationexperts...ternative-qty2

Perhaps its the same ?????

Oldmics

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I'll have to measure the filter housing when I get a chance.

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Try Concours Ford Parts .

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Some shots of the air filter that I believe is the same as yours.

If you notice the lid is flush with the Purolotor element.

I believe your asking for that 3" height is a bit much as your lid sits a bit high.

I think the A40013 filter I am suggesting is correct. :)

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More Pics

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Oldmics is probably on the right track. If not, I sent a pm. I’ve done this on similar filters. Not concours correct.

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The PUROLATOR Filter A40013 crosses to the AC A2882C and FORD C3VY 9601-A.

http://www.airfilter-crossreference....ROLATOR/A40013

I tried earlier with the WIX dimensions catalog and found nothing with the height needed being listed. Maybe re-measure height?

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https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/attac...4&d=1512707497

Yeah, I think you are correct also. I could find no referece to an element that tall.

Continued From Previous Thread- https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showt...64#post1562664

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I think I measured from the top of the recess of the air cleaner body down to the bottom inside and got nearly 3.25 inches.
I had actually bought the listed filter from NAPA back when I got the air cleaner and it was nearly an inch short. It was just hanging from the top rim with a sizable gap underneath.

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Here's a few phots of the air cleaner and the inside measurement that shows that the filter needs to be over 3" tall.It's without a doubt a Ford produced air cleaner as it even has indentations to clear the usual bell crank and coil.

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...ciphering...

Something doesn't ring with the rear shot.

EDIT-

... :confused: ...

Can you measure the assembly as it lays on a flat surface as to OD and HGT?

You said previously you had a FORD C3VY 9601-A element equivalent and it did not fully reach the bottom support?

You also said the seller repainted the cleaner? Do you see any signs of a previous color, black, blue, white or gold?

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OK, I think I have found it. It was not in the 60/64 MPC (must have gone obsolete and was deleted from FINAL ISSUE).

Went back again to the 1967 READY REFERENCE CATALOG and it was listed there (I think). It only gave two dimensions, 9.74" OD and 3.13" H. It is listed only for 64 FORD and MERC.

Service PN C4AZ 9601-A. No reference found on GOOGLE. This must have been a very limited production run. Maybe explains why the guy got rid of it.

I think I read oldmic saying he had a period OSI Catalog. Maybe he can chase it and get an earlier PN.

I will keep looking.

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Green Ford Sales

http://www.greensalescompany.com/

shows that they have 6 of the C4AZ 9601-A in stock.

Have to call them for pricing

The OSI information that I have is from 1955 to 1961.

The 1964 MCR book crosses the service number (C4AZ 9601-A) to the actual part of C4AF9601B

Oldmics

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And have them throw a tape on it before buying...

So it is a CROSS REFERENCE CATALOG you have?

An OSI (Obsolete-Supersede-Interchange) Catalog will give SERVICE PN upgrades once they are out of the PRICE BOOK.

Nice to have either or both.

THANX Oldmics ... ;)

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Nothing like running a thread compleatly off its tracks :eek:

Kultulz asks

"So it is a CROSS REFERENCE CATALOG you have?"

I have MCR (Master Cross Reference) books from the first one in Nov of 1953 , then 1954,1956,1957, 1959. Those were my original primary focus.

Also acquired the MCR books from Oct 61,Oct 63,April 64,April 66, Oct 67, Oct 70 and Oct 71.

The OSI books that I have are Ford- Jan 55 , Merc /Lincoln Nov 56 , Ford July 57 , Ford 60 and Ford - June 61.

Kultulz says

"Nice to have either or both."

Yes,it is :)

I find myself using the MCR books more than anything else.

There"s also the usual array of 55,56,57 (year of) Ford parts and shop manuals.

Mercury and Edsel manuals and T.S.B.s along with some Ford T Bird proprietary documentation a bunch of price sheet books and much more.

I must say that I have a pretty reference decent library but I am always seeking more books.

I"m sure you know that year specific information is routinely deleted from the Master Parts Catologues such as the 49-59 "Blue Bible".

That missing information is what started my search for the real parts information years ago.

Oldmics

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And there is nothing like learning and look at how much info is contained within this thread. Sorry you feel that way.

It is not actually missing. Up until the CDP, the MPC (paper or micrfiche) was updated quarterly. You will see publication date(s) on the binded books (49/59) for example) themselves and on loose leaf pages (65/72 for example) The key is to collect as wide a dates range of the MPC that you can.

Same with SERVICE MANUALS.

Any deleted info is listed in the OSI (and you need several ranges of years there also). Once deleted from the OSI, it was gone.

The only way I finally found the ACL element was not in the MPC (60/64 FINAL ISSUE) but a 1967 READY REFERENCE CATALOG. Without that or the period correct MPC, it most likely would have not been found.

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The C4AZ 9601-A filter is the same as the filter that was short. It's only 2.5" tall. I think I found some white paint in the ACL so that's Edsel right?
The earlier remark about my Desoto filter sitting high is only because the top rubber rim of the filter is thicker than Ford filters that were too short.

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...hmmpf...

You called Green Ford and they actually measured one?

The chart calls for 3.13" H (See below)-

Not necessarily. All lines used different colors according to year and/or engine size.

Were you able to measure the housing?

BTW- Do you have the PN and manufacturer of the DeSoto element?

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I looked it up and it came up with different dimensions than what's on your chart.
http://catalog.hastingsfilter.com/Pa...ayBackButton=0
Unfortunately even with your chart's dimensions, the diameter is too small. I need a filter with an upper outer diameter of 10-3/8".
My filter is a NAPA filter but looks like a Fram because of the color. I'll have to get the number off the box when I go measure the ACL.

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The filter is a NAPA Gold 2041 and the ACL itself is about 18" in diameter.

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I'm sorry. I have no further ideas.

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I was afraid it would end like this. Thanks for all the help.

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Just hold on for awhile. Let me try and find my OSI.

Something in the HASTINGS listing isn't jiving to me.

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That Hastings filter dimensions were the same as the one that NAPA had that was too short. The guys at NAPA even tried to find a filter that would fit but had no luck. I eventually found the Desoto filter number and had NAPA order it which is what I have now.

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But the element does not fit correctly, right? It doesn't take too much unfiltered air to ruin an engine.

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It fits snugly with no apparent leaks but it looks a bit odd.

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OK... The ACL you have seems to be 1964 specific (a few exceptions). Have found (THANX Bill aka Number Dummy @ FTE Forums) C4AZ 9601-A was R/B C3AZ 9601-B FA-6), which has the following measurements -

9.78" OD - 7.28" ID - 2.53" H



So Herman, you may be asking yourself why I am rattling your cage and the thing is too short.

I think I may have the answer... STAY TUNED!

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KULTULZ, the air filters with the 2.53" height have been too short. The one I need has to be about 3.22" height.
I'm still staying tuned.

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I don't think you need one that tall, at least with FORD.

I see you are still a doubting Thomas so I will hold my surprise until later this afternoon. Why not set back with a few cool ones and you will be surprised as I was (and I should have remembered... :mad: ).

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No, not being a doubting Thomas. I've tried the shorter filter and it just hangs without touching the inside bottom.
It's a little early for any cold ones for me yet. I just finished my morning espresso. West coast time here.

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OK... Here's the deal.

You have an odd ACL ASSY.


The fix is FORD C3AZ 9601-B (FA-6) and ACL Seal C4AZ 9673-A (available from usual suspects repro).

The seal goes under/around the lid, is 0.46" thick and combined with the ACL Element HGT (2.53") will give you the correct height to seal the ACL.

If you can, I need measurements of your ACL ASSY itself, not the element, diameter and standing height (measured on bench) along with diameter of lid.

The 5th photo shows the seal installation on a 1965 to help you visualize.

What have you decided on the HEATER CONTROL VALVE?

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There’s a very similar post going on over at yblocksforever, could be the same OP, both from SW WA. No matter. Kultulz, if I’m understanding your explaination above, this is the home grown solution to the correct factory replacement seal. Am I seeing this right?

In case anyone’s interested. http://forums.y-blocksforever.com/Topic139384-1.aspx

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Same poster, same problem. We went around here for a long time (2 different threads).

This is correct information as well as I can determine. Most of this info has been deleted from FINAL ISSUE MPC's and you have to hunt certain things down the hard way.

What I showed is factory assy for the particular ACL ASSY.

I answered here as it was posted here first and this board style is much easier to use for old farts as myself ...

What p!sses me off is I should have remembered it. I was there with a 64 390 in 1966... :mad:

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Yes I'm the same OP in both.
I did manage to have a couple of cold ones.
Well I'll be a...and I thought I needed a thicker air filter. That looks like what I was looking for. I wonder why I didn't see something like this before?
Thanks KULTULZ.