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Old 12-04-2014, 12:23 PM   #1
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Hello all,

I have been drawing in 3d Ford Flathead 59AB engine. I need some help please, I'm trying to draw the front of the oil pan without much success, if anyone has the oil pan of the engine 59AB or earlier, which could take some close up pictures of the areas marked in and outside if is possible, would be great.
I've been trying to find the oil pan on the Google but I can not find this model.





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Old 12-04-2014, 01:07 PM   #2
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Some pictures of the drawing that i have made.



















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awesome work, does that pan have a breather in front? Never seen the slot in the back of one before.
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So, can you print up a new flathead on a 3D printing machine?! Those are excellent drawings!
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Incredibly excellent work! All the hours you've put in all the details to determine dimensions. Are you using Inventor, Solidworks or similar? Makes my drawings in AutoCad.

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Very cool. Ray
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What modeling package are you using?

Great job !!
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Great work on those drawings! If you do any of the early v-8 blocks from '32 to '53, please post them. I would love to download them for my files.
I have a couple pictures of a 59ab oil pan in a multi part for sale ad here in the v8 swap section. You could download those from the ad and enlarge them for small details. I have never seen an oil pan guite like the one in your picture. What was that oil pan removed from? Many features are differentthan than any of our (USA) oil pans from '32 to '48.

This is the only picture of a 59ab oil that I have right now in my tablet files. I am sure I could add some later from my computer files.
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Old 12-04-2014, 05:03 PM   #10
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Here is a NOS pan:
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And 2 more:
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AND the inside views :
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awesome work, does that pan have a breather in front? Never seen the slot in the back of one before.
That's a picture of the pan on the motor in my Drop Tank. I cut the slot for access to the convertor bolts. Stop by again and I'll show you. Wayno
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Hello all,

I wanted to thank you all for your comments and photos from the oil pan.

The photos were what I'd need, thank you so much to Gary in La. and JM 35 Sedan.

I have lots more photos of the parts already made.

Thank you so much.

All the best,
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awesome work, does that pan have a breather in front? Never seen the slot in the back of one before.
I got this shot in another forum through Wayno, it took me a photo. Sorry for I can not answer your questions.

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So, can you print up a new flathead on a 3D printing machine?! Those are excellent drawings!
Ross you're talking about a scale model or a real engine?
If it is a scale model I have been talking with a friend to see the best way to do this.
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Incredibly excellent work! All the hours you've put in all the details to determine dimensions. Are you using Inventor, Solidworks or similar? Makes my drawings in AutoCad.

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The program I'm using is the Rhinoceros 4, a huge amount of hours but I'm happy with the result.



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Great work on those drawings! If you do any of the early v-8 blocks from '32 to '53, please post them. I would love to download them for my files.
I have a couple pictures of a 59ab oil pan in a multi part for sale ad here in the v8 swap section. You could download those from the ad and enlarge them for small details. I have never seen an oil pan guite like the one in your picture. What was that oil pan removed from? Many features are differentthan than any of our (USA) oil pans from '32 to '48.

This is the only picture of a 59ab oil that I have right now in my tablet files. I am sure I could add some later from my computer files.
Unfortunately I have nothing done with the block you say v-8 blocks from early '32 to '53


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That's a picture of the pan on the motor in my Drop Tank. I cut the slot for access to the convertor bolts. Stop by again and I'll show you. Wayno
Thanks for the explanation Wayno
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Old 12-09-2014, 04:53 PM   #18
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Hello,

I'm drawing the block I'm working on exhaust exits I have a small doubt, I'm facing to block, I see the pulleys, which side is the left and the right?

Thank you so much.

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Old 12-09-2014, 05:17 PM   #19
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If I understand your question correctly, here in this country, we Americans consider the LEFT side of engine to be the same side the steering wheel is on.....the driver's side, or the LEFT side. DD
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In USA mechanics' or parts book speech, left is always the part on USA driver's side no matter where the observer is standing...thus, the left pump is the one on driver's side even though it is on your right when standing at the motor.
This convention allows manuals and people to say "adjust the left breaker set" and always go the correct one! British usage is "off side" and "near side", and I can never remember what they mean...
Pans from '35-48 are essentially interchangeable, but one from an actual 59A will have the large drain plug as in post 11 and a small threaded hole on the casting that holds the dip stick tube for return pipe from filter...this would be plugged on engines without filter.
Earlier pans will have return hole in separate boss forward on pan, earlier still no return provision there at all.
I doubt that Elmo has ever left anything stock!!
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Left and right are universally applied and relate to the driver's left and right when sitting in the vehicle facing forward.

I was restoring a Morris Minor and wanted a new "hockey stick", the curved trim piece that fits each side of the grille. A local MM specialist had a complete grille and front end on the wall as a display and I pointed to the grille and said I wanted a right hand hockey stick (meaning the one on the right side of the grille). The assistant had great pleasure telling me that was a LEFT hockey stick. He was right, and it was a lesson learnt for me.

In the UK we drive on the left and the steering wheel is on the right. Locally we refer to the left or kerb side as "Nearside" and the right as "Offside" usually abbreviated to OS or NS. This is normally encountered when the car goes for the MOT* test and the tester advises you the "NS bottom ball joint" has excessive play. Damn!

*MOT Ministry of Transport. Although the Ministry no longer exists, the annual roadworthyness test is still called the MOT test. Interestingly, pre 1960 vehicles are now exempt from the test, which is nice.

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Old 12-10-2014, 06:59 AM   #22
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Thank you all for the information

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This is not an easy thing to do.
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Your up to it, I know.
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Old 12-23-2014, 08:43 PM   #25
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Hello all,

Thank you Russ, sorry for I did not say anything earlier but the block wall gave me lot of work.

Some progress in the engine block, it was necessary to rebuild the exhaust outlets, now I will start the block front end.

I wish Merry Christmas to all full health

All the best,
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In Right Hand Drive countries, 'Near Side' is the left, or 'Kerb side', and right is the 'Off Side'
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Very nice work Jorge. It would cool if you could progress this block drawing into the different types of Flathead engines... early 21 stud, 59ab, and 8ba.
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Very nice work Jorge. It would cool if you could progress this block drawing into the different types of Flathead engines... early 21 stud, 59ab, and 8ba.

Thank you JM this block it is the 59AB as i live in Portugal I don't have acess a nothing, you see, I meant blocks or blue prints, the 8ba it's similar not equal, I liked to do but so is impossible.
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Hello all,

I'd like to ask a favor anyone have any photo of the engine block of the part marked in the picture with the circles in red?

Thank you so much.

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Try the photobucket album that I used to start the engine block thread: http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Fred...?sort=9&page=1
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A close up would be great if it possible.
Thank you 38 coupe, some of the photos that you have in your photobucket, I have too.

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Hi Everyone, Jorge thank you very much for sharing the results of your hard work, it is just beautiful, amazing and so very educational.

One tip I like to give out is to think in relationship to the flywheel when you work on left/right relationships. If you're facing the flywheel then left and right are logical. (If you're facing the timing gear, put your arms out like you're sleepwalking, then cross your arms in front of you and you have L/R figured out again except it's backwards.) This would work the same for the Near Side/Off Side crowd.

Jorge it sounds as if you're collecting photos. None of these are what you've asked for here, and may not even be the engine you're working on, but here are a bunch of cut-away engine shots I took at Don Garlits' Museum of Drag Racing in Ocala Florida. I was there with my Dad and JM and many others for a 'Barners Bash' a few years ago. The engine is identified as a 1934 Ford but some of the info on the sign is possibly not true.

http://s291.photobucket.com/user/Ver...?sort=3&page=1

Again, thanks for sharing, and good luck with your efforts, they're amazing!
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Hello VeryTangled thank your for your comments and photos.

It is not what I was looking for I don't need the interior structural or interior of the block, I need a few photos external if possible close up, of the marked areas in my drawings to understand how bend the curves.

Thank you so much to all.
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Hello all,

Anyone can give me the dimension of the intake port flow?
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Hello all,
One photo of what I've been working, 2d for now, while I do not have all the lines can not leave for the 3D model.
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What a mess of lines
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Hello all,

This section is completed

Thank you.

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Hello Jorge, I do not know if you follow this thread,
http://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=158402
Come to think of you, when I read this thread. So I'm curious how you will do? ....

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Thank you Jorgen, I did not know this I will follow.
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Hi Everyone, Jorge, I'm still watching. Thank you for sharing your hard work with us!
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Hello all,


Some progress in the drawing, left side block, the lines of the back is not done yet. Now they are aligned.

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I need some help, which side have the bigger angle in the valves?
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Are you looking for the angles? 52.09 on the left and 49.36 on the right.
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Hello all,

Now with a few more things, the funny part will begin, extrude all the lines.
The valves sets is done with the correct angle. I will need to resize some parts not serious.


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Does anyone has a piston for a bore 3.1875 that can take a measurement?
-Height,
-From the bottom to the middle of the piston pin,
-The pin diameter.

Thank you so much.
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See if any of this helps. This piston is from a 1948 59a engine, it is domed top, 3.188 +.040 (original 3.188 bored std .040 over).

From top edge of piston to bottom of longest part of skirt: 2.960
From top edge of piston to bottom of shortest part of skirt: 2.700 (not including notch)
Width of longest part of skirt: ~1.250
Width of shortest part of skirt: ~1.250
It is curved between these sections.
From top edge of piston to top of dome: ~.250

Starting a top edge of piston working down to shortest part of skirt (not including notch).
Top edge to top piston ring: .250
Top piston ring grove: .096
Top piston ring to second piston ring: .156
Second piston ring grove: .096
Second piston ring to third piston ring: .100
Third piston ring grove: .188
Third piston ring to top of piston pin: .268
Piston pin: .750
Bottom of piston pin to bottom piston ring: .170
Bottom piston ring grove: .183
Bottom piston ring to bottom of skirt: .440 (not including notch)

From Top edge of piston to center of piston pin: ~1.530
From center of piston pin to bottom of skirt: ~1.170
Piston Pin diameter: .750

These are measurements straight from a piston using calipers and include measuring errors I am sure!

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For some reason the photos didn't load the first time.
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Thank you so much JSeery.
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Earlier I do this type of piston, can be used in this engine model?
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There are 3 ring and 4 ring pistons. I believe the original design from Ford was the 4 ring and the 3 ring was a more modern replacement. Not sure it would make any difference for what you are doing, a lot of the current rebuilds use the 3 ring style.
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Hello all,

Some of the lines after extruder.
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Old 03-25-2015, 04:53 PM   #54
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Some progress in the design.
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Old 03-30-2015, 11:42 AM   #55
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Hello all,

Exhaust channels done, and e few holes. Start the front end of the block.
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Old 04-06-2015, 10:44 AM   #56
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Hello all,

The 59 AB block have the yellow line that I made?
The block 8 BA have this fill.

Thank you so much.
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Old 04-07-2015, 12:15 PM   #57
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Hello all,

I 'm working in the front end of the block, I will need some help, someone have any photos where I can see the front end of the block 59 AB without the water pumps and the distributor cover? I already made a google search but not find anything.

Thank you so much for the help.

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Old 04-07-2015, 12:51 PM   #58
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I can add some in about an hour.
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I can add some in about an hour.

Thank you so much JSeery
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I'm easily distracted! But here are 4 shots of 59a block. This is a 48 block (as far as I know) out of a Truck.
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Thank you so much for the photos JSeery, have the same lines and holes, that I have been drawing.

If is possible yet, can you take a close-up of the areas that I marked?

Thank you very much.

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See if this is what you are looking for. PM me your email address and I will email back the original higher res photos (around 4Mb)
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Thank you JSeery.
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Old 04-13-2015, 11:43 AM   #64
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In progress
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Hello all,

This part gave some work, now do the rest of the holes.





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You are showing 8ba timing components they are different from 59a.

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What are the components that are not correct?
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What are the components that are not correct?

The timing gears

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59a and 8ba cams rotate in opposite directions, so the teeth on the gears would be in the opposite direction. The crank gear and the cam gear are matched sets.
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59a and 8ba cams rotate in opposite directions, so the teeth on the gears would be in the opposite direction. The crank gear and the cam gear are matched sets.
Simply not true! 59A and 8BA cams turn the same direction. Only the cut of the gears differ.
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So it is only the diretion of the teeth gears correct, I need flip over the both gears teeth?

Thank you so much by the notice.

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59a and 8ba cams rotate in opposite directions, so the teeth on the gears would be in the opposite direction. The crank gear and the cam gear are matched sets.
Nope time to go back to flathead school. "LOL"

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So it is only the diretion of the teeth gears correct, I need flip over the both gears teeth?

Thank you so much by the notice.

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Old 04-15-2015, 10:53 AM   #74
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Thank you so much Ronnie by the notice and the photos too.
As I don't know of any existing engine near me not always it is clear, my support it is photos that I found in my searches or some help from the members of the forum.

Now i believe that is correct, the left that i have, the right it is the new one.
The engine that I have been designed it is the 59AB.

Thank you all for the help

All the best,
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Simply not true! 59A and 8BA cams turn the same direction. Only the cut of the gears differ.
Sorry about that, not totally awake on that one!!!!! The thrust of the cam is reversed, not the cam rotation. The 59a thrust the cam toward the engine and the 8ba thrust the cam toward to cover because of the cut of the gears. Some days are better than other!
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Yep, asleep at the wheel on that one!!
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Great work that model is really neat! Would you share a .step file of the 59AB intake manifold?
I would love to 3D print one for my desk!
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Great work that model is really neat! Would you share a .step file of the 59AB intake manifold?
I would love to 3D print one for my desk!
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