Champion H10 coke bottle spark plugs

[civilwarlife]

I need to buy, beg or borrow 8 champion h10 spark plugs. I would even borrow them. Going for a Dearborn award in June. Won't run them
Just need them for the show. I'll buy them if they are fpr sale. Let me know.
Thanks
Terry

[Kube]

Originally Posted by civilwarlife

I need to buy, beg or borrow 8 champion h10 spark plugs. I would even borrow them. Going for a Dearborn award in June. Won't run them
Just need them for the show. I'll buy them if they are fpr sale. Let me know.
Thanks
Terry

Terry, Now I know to ask you to start your car when I judge.
I'd suggest you run a wanted ad here and on the Ford Club sites. Those plugs are "out there". Be prepared to call as soon as you see them advertised.

[civilwarlife]

How do I run a wanted post? Is there a wanted section of the forum? Or just here? Thanks
Terry

[ironhead68]

https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=9

[deuce lover]

Originally Posted by civilwarlife

How do I run a wanted post? Is there a wanted section of the forum? Or just here? Thanks
Terry

On the top RED bar where you see Forums etc click swap meet,then click wanted ,then click Early V8 and place your ad.

[slowforty]

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We used to paint them black. some judges never noticed, if you are lucky

[Kube]

Originally Posted by slowforty

We used to paint them black. some judges never noticed, if you are lucky

So you felt good about the poor judging?

[ford38v8]

Originally Posted by Kube

Terry, Now I know to ask you to start your car when I judge.
I'd suggest you run a wanted ad here and on the Ford Club sites. Those plugs are "out there". Be prepared to call as soon as you see them advertised.

Mike, I believe that you may be confusing the EFV8CA Concourse with the AACA Concourse rules. The EFV8CA Operational Check, performed on the several days before the Concourse, checks, as the title suggests, that all systems are functional, the honor system serving for functionality of the windshield wipers.
This separation of functionality and correctness judging leaves plenty of time to change out plugs, carburetors, voltage regulators, fan belts, and whatever the hell else to dummy units used for show only. It always riled me to witness this shameful process happening on the Judging Field, a clear violation of the rules, as the car is to be driven onto the field, rather than to be assembled on the field.
In expressing my opinion on this matter, I should emphasize that I believe that it's the rules that need an adjustment to fit the practice, in order to bring a measure of honor to the Concourse that is lacking at present.

[Kube]

Originally Posted by ford38v8

Mike, I believe that you may be confusing the EFV8CA Concourse with the AACA Concourse rules. The EFV8CA Operational Check, performed on the several days before the Concourse, checks, as the title suggests, that all systems are functional, the honor system serving for functionality of the windshield wipers.
This separation of functionality and correctness judging leaves plenty of time to change out plugs, carburetors, voltage regulators, fan belts, and whatever the hell else to dummy units used for show only. It always riled me to witness this shameful process happening on the Judging Field, a clear violation of the rules, as the car is to be driven onto the field, rather than to be assembled on the field.
In expressing my opinion on this matter, I should emphasize that I believe that it's the rules that need an adjustment to fit the practice, in order to bring a measure of honor to the Concourse that is lacking at present.

Well said my friend, well said.
I never understood how anyone could feel good about scoring points that they (obviously) should not have.
Kind of like cheating and winning in my opinion. How can a guy feel good about that?

[35fordtn]

Not gonna lie I’ve done it when I had a 40 pickup. It was a super nice restored truck that did win a Dearborn award at Dearborn 2018. I didn’t want to drive it with a set of $500 spark plugs so I borrowed a set of nos ones and changed them on the field. I have a set “somewhere” and if I can find them I’d gladly lend them to you and let you start the car and drive with them.

[deuce_roadster]

My Dearborn wagon, scored far enough over the 950, I could have left the Bob Drake headlights installed that I use when I drive the car. I paid $1500 for a pair of NOS script 40 bulb in metal back correct headlights and I don't feel like I somehow cheated by swapping those Drakes out on the concourse for the new ones, and the Drakes back in before a tour. seems like an unnecessary risk. I never argue with judges having judged 32-34 many times at National Meets I let them do their work and let the deductions fall where they may..

[Lawson Cox]

I couldn't resist. I have a set of Coke Bottle plugs in the display engine going to the museum. A couple of them have some unwanted pitting on them. Anybody have some unpitted ones for sale?? I don't really care about the part that don't show. Well, I do care but that won't worry me a lot.

[tubman]

And here I thought the Corvette guys judging wheel weights was extreme.

[restoman]

Terry, I have an extra set and tomorrow I will look at them and let you know what I find...PHIL

[Gene1949]

Kinda why I quit going to the big car shows. Too many trailer queens, car show politics and anal retentive folk.
Don't get me wrong, the local shows are great with great people.

[Kube]

Originally Posted by Gene1949

Kinda why I quit going to the big car shows. Too many trailer queens, car show politics and anal retentive folk.
Don't get me wrong, the local shows are great with great people.

The club has rules and numerous classes in which you can show your car.
Personally, I am getting tired of judging as there are more and more guys that want to "win" yet don't want to spend the money and / or labor to restore their car correctly. So we should change the rules so everyone wins?
Don't like the rules? Don't play the game. Pretty simple methinks.

[34fordy]

Originally Posted by Kube

The club has rules and numerous classes in which you can show your car.
Personally, I am getting tired of judging as there are more and more guys that want to "win" yet don't want to spend the money and / or labor to restore their car correctly. So we should change the rules so everyone wins?
Don't like the rules? Don't play the game. Pretty simple methinks.

This reminds me of school grading. I graduated from a class with 325+ other kids. We did not have a single 4.0 GPA student in our class. And there were some really intelligent kids. Now the graduating classes are smaller and have a dozen or more 4.0 GPA students. It makes the distinction virtually meaningless. If you want to keep excellence true, you must keep the standards high and honest.

[petehoovie]

[ford38v8]

Originally Posted by 34fordy

This reminds me of school grading. I graduated from a class with 325+ other kids. We did not have a single 4.0 GPA student in our class. And there were some really intelligent kids. Now the graduating classes are smaller and have a dozen or more 4.0 GPA students. It makes the distinction virtually meaningless. If you want to keep excellence true, you must keep the standards high and honest.

You make an excellent point with which I agree. You will not stop dishonesty with additional rules. However, with further clarity of existing rules, those who continue to scoff will find it more difficult to do so.
An important point to remember is that Judging Standards rules are not changeable on a whim, to be changed again when found to not solve a problem.

[Seth Swoboda]

Originally Posted by Gene1949

Kinda why I quit going to the big car shows. Too many trailer queens, car show politics and anal retentive folk.
Don't get me wrong, the local shows are great with great people.

Gene,

There are far more driver cars at a national meet these days than trailer queens or high point judged cars. 80% are not going to be dearborn judged. In fact in about 10 national meets I've attended, I haven't seen much show politics or anal retentive folks that caused the meet to not be a good time.

[GB SISSON]

Having never participated in a car show, I have displayed antique tractors and stationary engines at a large 4 day meet at Lynden Wa for 36 years. At this type of show anyone who displays receives the same ribbon. It does not matter if you showed up with six pristine John Deeres, or you are an eight year old kid who painted your grand dad's old riding lawn mower with a brush. Finances are out of the equation.

[slowforty]

Judging is judging. Depends on the Judge.$500 spark plugs do not live in my neighborhood. At my age i find other things to obsess about. Everyone has a right to their own opinion

[28fordroadster]

What is a set of these plugs worth? I might have seen a set in a parts haul that I picked up

[Bored&Stroked]

Now I know some of you guys are going to disapprove of my following babble, but it seems ridiculous that "consumables" should be such a big deal. To the point that guys have to swap out spark plugs, fanbelts and other such things.

It has nothing to do with the quality of the car or the restoration, so it makes little sense to me. Something that should cost less than $40 (regular plugs), folks have to pay $500 for - just to put them in for judging . . . just to take them back out.

Given all the costs and time involved in restoring a vintage Ford to even qualify for Dearborn judging, it shouldn't come down to fanbelts and spark plugs.

There I said it . . . roast away boys, roast away . . .

[Pete]

Originally Posted by Bored&Stroked

Now I know some of you guys are going to disapprove of my following babble, but it seems ridiculous that "consumables" should be such a big deal. To the point that guys have to swap out spark plugs, fanbelts and other such things.

It has nothing to do with the quality of the car or the restoration, so it makes little sense to me. Something that should cost less than $40 (regular plugs), folks have to pay $500 for - just to put them in for judging . . . just to take them back out.

Given all the costs and time involved in restoring a vintage Ford to even qualify for Dearborn judging, it shouldn't come down to fanbelts and spark plugs.

There I said it . . . roast away boys, roast away . . .

No one ever considers putting 1930's air in the tires. Minus 10 points for that.

[Kube]

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Originally Posted by Bored&Stroked

Now I know some of you guys are going to disapprove of my following babble, but it seems ridiculous that "consumables" should be such a big deal. To the point that guys have to swap out spark plugs, fanbelts and other such things.

It has nothing to do with the quality of the car or the restoration, so it makes little sense to me. Something that should cost less than $40 (regular plugs), folks have to pay $500 for - just to put them in for judging . . . just to take them back out.

Given all the costs and time involved in restoring a vintage Ford to even qualify for Dearborn judging, it shouldn't come down to fanbelts and spark plugs.

There I said it . . . roast away boys, roast away . . .

I think, with respect, that you and a few others are missing the main point here.
The main point?
The published rules of the judging by the Early Ford V8 Club of America.
The car must be restored to how it left the factory.

Purchasing a set of $500 spark plugs may seem ridiculous to you and others. Purchasing an $80,000 new pickup truck seems insane to me.
It's all about choices.

It is NOT about reinventing the rules just so a guy can say he won.
Don't like the way the game is played? Don't play.
However (another choice here...) if you do choose to play, don't attempt to change the rules.

[Bored&Stroked]

Most rules change over time. As long as they are clear and everybody is playing by the same set, then it is cool with me.

But, if one doesn't question some of the rules and try to improve a situation, then progress is rarely made on anything.

I don't play in the Dearborn world - and the thought of having to search all over heck and gone for H-10 coke bottle plugs that I only install for shows (just to be competitive) is a bit much for me. But - that is my opinion and nothing more . . . LOL

[Kube]

Originally Posted by Bored&Stroked

Most rules change over time. As long as they are clear and everybody is playing by the same set, then it is cool with me.

But, if one doesn't question some of the rules and try to improve a situation, then progress is rarely made on anything.

I don't play in the Dearborn world - and the thought of having to search all over heck and gone for H-10 coke bottle plugs that I only install for shows (just to be competitive) is a bit much for me. But - that is my opinion and nothing more . . . LOL

There are classes for those that don't want to be point judged.
I'm not a fan of "watering down" the rules so everyone "wins". What do they "win" when the rules have been relaxed? That's called an attendance award.

By the way, I leave the plugs (and everything else) on the car permanently.
In fact, my '36 roadster, a former very high point car, gets driven with a set of concourse correct plugs.

[deuce5wndw]

Picked these up over the weekend. Some corrosion on the brass but should clean off nice. PM me if interested.

[1952henry]

All of this mention of coke makes me want a coke and bourbon. Well the bourbon, I’ll pass on the coke.

[51504bat]

Originally Posted by Bored&Stroked

Now I know some of you guys are going to disapprove of my following babble, but it seems ridiculous that "consumables" should be such a big deal. To the point that guys have to swap out spark plugs, fanbelts and other such things.

It has nothing to do with the quality of the car or the restoration, so it makes little sense to me. Something that should cost less than $40 (regular plugs), folks have to pay $500 for - just to put them in for judging . . . just to take them back out.

Given all the costs and time involved in restoring a vintage Ford to even qualify for Dearborn judging, it shouldn't come down to fanbelts and spark plugs.

There I said it . . . roast away boys, roast away . . .

No roast from me. Just a well said. But then my '39 p/u has a Studebaker bed on it so originality isn't high on my importance scale. But the rules are the rules. If you don't like them fire up your old Ford and drive somewhere else. Or worse yet, buy a Corvette and worry about if the wheel weights are factory correct.

[ford38v8]

Originally Posted by Kube

I think, with respect, that you and a few others are missing the main point here.
The main point?
The published rules of the judging by the Early Ford V8 Club of America.
The car must be restored to how it left the factory.

Purchasing a set of $500 spark plugs may seem ridiculous to you and others. Purchasing an $80,000 new pickup truck seems insane to me.
It's all about choices.

It is NOT about reinventing the rules just so a guy can say he won.
Don't like the way the game is played? Don't play.
However (another choice here...) if you do choose to play, don't attempt to change the rules.

Mike, I really like what you said here. There is no competition between participants, everyone can receive a Dearborn or no one can receive one. Entrants are working within the rules, not in competition with each other.

[Kube]

Originally Posted by ford38v8

Mike, I really like what you said here. There is no competition between participants, everyone can receive a Dearborn or no one can receive one. Entrants are working within the rules, not in competition with each other.

Thanks for the kind words Alan

[Bored&Stroked]

I knew a roasting was about to ensue as I was making a known controversial statement. Different folks have different opinions and I certainly have no disrespect for those who take exception to mine (or I wouldn't have posted it).

The rules should never be different from one competitor to the next and a change in an area like this doesn't suddenly create more "winners". I'm sure all those who build cars to compete in this category know the rules and build as such.

I just wish I had a couple cases of H-10 Coke Bottles to sell.

[deuce5wndw]

How about for the truck guys H-9 com?

[Karl Wescott]

To me (with a "hot rodder" mindset but desires a highly accurate baseline from which to deviate) there are some basic incompatibilities between a car that is to be driven vs one which is to "be put on a pedestal". Items that are not "consumable" should always be "factory correct" for a vehicle being judged as "factory correct". Items that are "consumable" and are inherently unsafe due to age and/or irreplaceable due to an absence of acceptable reproductions should be allowed to be changed out between the driving phase and "factory correct" judging phase. What I would recommend is full disclosure. If you are going to swap out your NOS but unsafe original Firestones, your NOS but fragile fan belts or what have you, then display and declare them at the time of both the operational check (with what is "incorrect" but operational installed on the car) and at the time of the concourse judging (with the parts that have been removed... and an explanation why).

Above all, try to have fun pride and enjoyment in owning, operating, displaying and judging these vehicles... and be compassionate enough to others who may have differing values to originality so they also will continue to have fun, pride, and enjoyment in their vehicle and when judging.

[Roger/Sacramento]

If the vehicle is to be correct as it was driven from the factory......FUEL , OIL, WATER , GREASE comes to mind.

[Bored&Stroked]

Hey Karl - nice summary . . . I think you captured the broader context well.

[tubman]

"Sly and the Family Stone" had it right : "Diff'rent Strokes for for Diff'rent Folks".

OK I have to admit it; I have a few wrong wheel weights on my Corvette (I think there is an incorrect tire valve cap as well.)

I hope "Coopman" doesn't see this; there is a chance that he thinks I'm a "matching numbers geek".