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Old 11-23-2021, 07:22 PM   #21
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Then why is Dave describing a '55?
Sorry everyone, Iwas confusing him with another one of the guys here that has a '55, but I went to his profile later and noticed he has a '57 Country Sedan wagon.
So yes, it is a 100% bolt in swap as is. No need for any parts interchange and you can use your original speedo cable and gear.
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Old 11-24-2021, 02:17 AM   #22
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Sorry everyone, Iwas confusing him with another one of the guys here that has a '55, but I went to his profile later and noticed he has a '57 Country Sedan wagon.
I have never made that mistake ... ... (yeah, right) ...

I thought is was me that had something turned around.

No big deal ...
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K, sorry I am late getting these pics to you but this is the flex plate that came with the engine and tranny. Dont know if it a replacement or not but there are no frame that I can see.

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Old 12-04-2021, 01:21 AM   #24
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K, sorry I am late getting these pics to you but this is the flex plate that came with the engine and tranny. Dont know if it a replacement or not but there are no frame that I can see.

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No reason to be sorry. Yours is the service replacement. The originals were subject to failure.

Now there were two versions released, the first with just one center reinforcing ring and its replacement with three rings. How many reinforcement rings does yours have and if three in number, how are they placed?

1st photo shows original assembly and the 2nd service replacement with three reinf rings.

THANX for taking the time to post those photos.
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I have the three rings and I just lined them up so the bolts holes all match. Is there a particular order they go in?

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Place the flex plate on the crankshaft flange and line up the 6 bolt holes, one of them is slightly offset for proper alignment. Add the 3 spacer rings and 6 bolts just snug.

Check that the 6 flex plate bolts aren't extending too far forward thru the crank flange and hitting the rear of the block. Grind them very slightly shorter only as needed for safe clearance.

Final torque for those bolts is shown on pages 1-75 and 1-84 of a '57 shop manual, 75 - 85 ft lbs.
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I have the three rings and I just lined them up so the bolts holes all match. Is there a particular order they go in?

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How were they mounted when you pulled the original trans?
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DM, thanks for the torque specs. With a nice tight engine I should not be able to turn it when I torque it down.

K: I did not realize there was an order to them. But I think I have them in the same order, I tried to keep them that way at least.

Per the tranny shop, he wants the converter in all the way first and then bolt the trsnny to the engine and flex plate. That will be a it of a challenge.

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DM, thanks for the torque specs. With a nice tight engine I should not be able to turn it when I torque it down.
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Per the tranny shop, he wants the converter in all the way first and then bolt the trsnny to the engine and flex plate. That will be a it of a challenge.
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Pretty sure I remember having to bolt a short strap from the flex plate to a bolt hole on the back of the block to keep the crank from turning, to be able to hit the torque spec.

If you work thru the inspection cover hole at the bottom but mostly the opening for the starter, attaching the flex plate to the torque converter bolts isn't difficult.
Line them up to each other before-hand and remove the 4 nuts/bolts needed, reinstall them after the transmission is bolted to the block. Rotating the assembly with a small prybar or large screwdriver.
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Once the trans is bolted to the block, there should be just a little back and forth movement which will indicate that the converter is all the way in. Just pull it forward and bolt it up.
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K: I did not realize there was an order to them. But I think I have them in the same order, I tried to keep them that way at least.
You have the SERVICE REPLACEMENT PLATE that replaced the earlier style plates (1954/57). The first release had one reinforcing ring. I have the TSB for that setup. FORD then re-released the same plate with three reinforcing rings. There is no given way (other than the period TSB) to actually know in what sequence all parts were assembled. I do not have that TSB or know whether it is detailed in a later WSM as FORD changed the design again in 1958. If not assembled correctly, the torque convertor may not have enough free play when finally assembled.

When you removed your original trans, it had the later replacement plate (B7A 6375-A). You stated that there were three reinforcing rings. In what order were they assembled, three behind the flex-plate or possibly one ahead of the plate and two behind? This is the info I am trying to find.
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