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[email protected] · 03-01-2015, 08:49 PM

http://www.ebay.com/itm/231487804099…

Y-Blockhead · 03-01-2015, 09:28 PM

Well I'm pretty sure they wouldn't be if people didn't bid them up. Starting bid was $10, now it's at $121.

C26Pinelake · 03-01-2015, 10:36 PM

Because many of the bidders are fools, plain and simple !
Wayne

Fullraceflathead · 03-01-2015, 10:58 PM

Can you tell me which vendors sell a repro Oil Can?
I have the mount and an original Oil Can but worry about the Original Oil Can falling off while driving or getting taken at a Show.

[email protected] · 03-02-2015, 12:02 AM

Maybe still EBay but you can buy these Off The Shelf for a lot less then $121. plus shipping.......

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-Model-T...3D131436850453

http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/1314368...lpid=82&chn=ps

Mike V. Florida · 03-02-2015, 01:09 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by C26Pinelake

Because many of the bidders are fools, plain and simple !
Wayne

You got that right! Amazon as well, look up the" red book"!

Y-Blockhead · 03-02-2015, 02:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by [email protected]

Maybe still EBay but you can buy these Off The Shelf for a lot less then $121. plus shipping.......

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-Model-T...3D131436850453

http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/1314368...lpid=82&chn=ps

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob C

Try here http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-Model-T...65b3ce&vxp=mtr

Bob

Be careful of those. Those ads are for the bracket only. It says "Oil Can Holder". The Oil Can is not included.

Tom Wesenberg · 03-02-2015, 04:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Y-Blockhead

Be careful of those. Those ads are for the bracket only. It says "Oil Can Holder". The Oil Can is not included.

Good point.

On ebay you have to read all the fine print and ask questions because there are some sly salesmen out there.

[email protected] · 03-02-2015, 07:36 AM

Thank you Gents for pointing out that those EBay listings were not including the oil can. Late last night I did a Google search and those are the ones that popped up and I didn't read their details and just saw the pictures. Sorry.

But there are others on EBay that do have the can for a lot less $$$$. So it brings up the point that you may get exactly what you are willing to pay for for their quality for repo or original.

example:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-Model-A...3D231487804099

I must admit that I have restored 3 Model A's over the last 30 years and have never purchased a Ford Script Oil Can ever. I do remember going to swap meets and wading through boxes with lots of the Oil cans, Jacks, cranks, etc.... Last Model A swap I attended last week I really did not see any.

I guess I was just stunned about a oil can going for well over a $100
bill......

Afordman31 · 03-02-2015, 09:02 AM

Like my Dad alway's said: It's worth what you want to pay for it. Afordman31

C26Pinelake · 03-02-2015, 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by [email protected]

Thank you Gents for pointing out that those EBay listings were not including the oil can. Late last night I did a Google search and those are the ones that popped up and I didn't read their details and just saw the pictures. Sorry.

But there are others on EBay that do have the can for a lot less $$$$. So it brings up the point that you may get exactly what you are willing to pay for for their quality for repo or original.

example:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-Model-A...3D231487804099

I must admit that I have restored 3 Model A's over the last 30 years and have never purchased a Ford Script Oil Can ever. I do remember going to swap meets and wading through boxes with lots of the Oil cans, Jacks, cranks, etc.... Last Model A swap I attended last week I really did not see any.

I guess I was just stunned about a oil can going for well over a $100
bill......

They really are not all that uncommon. The larger swap meets like Hershey have lots to choose from and the prices are certainly negotiable !
Wayne

Ron in Quincy · 03-02-2015, 10:53 AM

There are two types of Script Oil Cans.The one for Model T has inside threads for the spout cover. The one for Model A has outside threads for the spout cover. The T Oil Can is not acceptable for Judging,

Ron

Bruce_MO · 03-02-2015, 01:42 PM

Actually, there were a number of different styles & suppliers of oil cans... at least 6 or more as I recall. The "Vintage Ford" magazine for the Model T club had an in-depth article on oil can variations a few years ago. It covered all the different sizes and styles of the script, internal vs. external threads, etc.

I understand that oil cans were deleted from the list of standard "A" toolkit items after May '28. Saw that recently on the Model A Ford Club site.

Ron in Quincy · 03-02-2015, 04:57 PM

Bruce,

You are correct about the variations on the markings on the oil can.

The thing that is confusing, MAFCA and MARK will accept the T tire pump with the T number on the bottom for the very early 1928 A's; why do they not accept the late T oil can for Judging the very early 1928 A's ? Probable one of those items that the two clubs could not come to an agreement on ?

Ron

DougVieyra · 03-03-2015, 02:31 AM

Be careful about these oil cans. There were several reproductions made two or three decades ago. Usually copper coated. I have a couple of these repros. I also have a coupe of originals. My originals are not copper coated, but plane steel. My originals are of a finer thread on the screw top than are the later repros., which are of a noticably courser thread. I have both a straight spout and a spout with a angled bend at the end. The repros., with their course grain threads, tend to 'pop' off easily. The originals never do.

Also, the mounting bracket that holds the oil can, that is available today, and the one's pictured on the ebay photos, are NOT the correct holder for these early Ford oil cans. The bracket that came with the early cars that had oil cans, had the bracket (totally different construction) mounted on the firewall, where the top and bottom of the cowl were bolted together. The original holders had a spring-loaded base that held the can in place.

- Doug Vieyra, Eureka, Calif - Sunny, 63 degrees today

Fullraceflathead · 03-04-2015, 02:18 PM

Does anyone have a photo of the Original Early Model A Oil Can Bracket???
I would like to fabricate one since they are different than the one I bought off of Ebay.

DougVieyra · 03-04-2015, 04:56 PM

The reason they are not being made today, is that they would be extremely difficult to produce at a cost-exceptable price. The are somewhat complex as compared to the currently available (but wrong) oil can brackets.
Sorry I don't have a camera (phone or otherwise) to take a photo of the two I have. But I bet MARCO does . . . . he seems to have well documented and photographed just about everything that has to do with the Ford Model A. If no one else does, perhaps he might stumble upon this thread and reply with a photo of the original 1928 holder of the oil can.
- Doug Vieyra

1931 flamingo · 03-04-2015, 06:25 PM

[email protected]: Please enlighten me as to which vendor(s) sell the oil can??
Years ago Sac Vintage did but it's not in the last catalog I have.
Thanks in advance.
paul in CT

Joe K · 03-04-2015, 08:28 PM

IIRC, the repop oil can is one of the fatalities of the "Ford Trademark" issue of the late 1980s.

Someone, possibly MARK had a bunch of them made in China (or pacific rim anyway) and the trademark/licensing thing put the deal on kabosh. A restocking was never repeated.

I own a 29 truck and while never original, it might make a nice "oh look how thoughtful" moment for someone looking under the hood who doesn't know the Judging Standards.

Maybe a plain "Eagle" can will do just as well? Likely Eagle made the originals with script.

Joe K

[email protected] · 03-04-2015, 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1931 flamingo

[email protected]: Please enlighten me as to which vendor(s) sell the oil can??
Years ago Sac Vintage did but it's not in the last catalog I have.
Thanks in advance.
paul in CT

Paul,
PM sent with a possible source for original....

[email protected] · 03-05-2015, 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe K

IIRC, the repop oil can is one of the fatalities of the "Ford Trademark" issue of the late 1980s.

Someone, possibly MARK had a bunch of them made in China (or pacific rim anyway) and the trademark/licensing thing put the deal on kabosh. A restocking was never repeated.

I own a 29 truck and while never original, it might make a nice "oh look how thoughtful" moment for someone looking under the hood who doesn't know the Judging Standards.

Maybe a plain "Eagle" can will do just as well? Likely Eagle made the originals with script.

Joe K

Looked at an original Model T Ford Script oiler that was made in Waterbury Conn. by the Noera MFG Co. It's pat. date is April 4th 1908 and is also stamped on the bottom in very fine print made in U.S.A. Cap is knurled and fine threaded..

Joe K · 03-05-2015, 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by [email protected]

Looked at an original Model T Ford Script oiler that was made in Waterbury Conn. by the Noera MFG Co. It's pat. date is April 4th 1908 and is also stamped on the bottom in very fine print made in U.S.A. Cap is knurled and fine threaded..

There may have been more than one supplier to Ford either for Model T era or later. Eagle has been around a long time though. And may have existed and been sold under another name as "Eagle" may be some company's more recent "marketing" name.

(Similarly "Craftsman" tools are sold by Sears but have been made by a variety of manufacturers over the years.)

Joe K

03-01-2015, 08:49 PM	#1
[email protected] Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 730	Why are EBay oil cans more expensive then the vendors? http://www.ebay.com/itm/231487804099…

03-01-2015, 09:28 PM	#2
Y-Blockhead Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Redondo Beach, CA Posts: 5,848	Re: Why are EBay oil cans more expensive then the vendors? Well I'm pretty sure they wouldn't be if people didn't bid them up. Starting bid was $10, now it's at $121.

03-01-2015, 10:36 PM	#3
C26Pinelake BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Michigan / Ontario border, Sarnia, Ontario. 50 miles from Detroit and 150 from Toronto. Posts: 5,800	Re: Why are EBay oil cans more expensive then the vendors? Because many of the bidders are fools, plain and simple ! Wayne

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Fullraceflathead Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Chillicothe, Missouri Posts: 1,176	Re: Why are EBay oil cans more expensive then the vendors? Can you tell me which vendors sell a repro Oil Can? I have the mount and an original Oil Can but worry about the Original Oil Can falling off while driving or getting taken at a Show. __________________ "If I asked people what they wanted they would have said faster horses." -Henry Ford "Primitive technology is not a design flaw" 1928 Ford Model A Roadster Pickup 1930 Gordon Smith Air Compressor 1941 Willy's Pickup 1960 Thunderbird-For Sale 1964 Buick Riviera 2x4 425 1965 Pontiac GTO, 455 Super Duty 2004 Dodge Ram SRT-10, V-10 Viper 1977 Charger Jet Boat,460 Ford,Jacuzzi Jet Front Engine Nostalgia Dragster,Supercharged 296 "Fullrace Flathead" Ford Engine Build up on DVD ask Last edited by Fullraceflathead; 03-03-2015 at 01:15 AM.

03-02-2015, 12:02 AM	#5
[email protected] Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 730	Re: Why are EBay oil cans more expensive then the vendors? Maybe still EBay but you can buy these Off The Shelf for a lot less then $121. plus shipping....... http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-Model-T...3D131436850453 http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/1314368...lpid=82&chn=ps

03-02-2015, 07:36 AM	#9
[email protected] Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 730	Re: Why are EBay oil cans more expensive then the vendors? Thank you Gents for pointing out that those EBay listings were not including the oil can. Late last night I did a Google search and those are the ones that popped up and I didn't read their details and just saw the pictures. Sorry. But there are others on EBay that do have the can for a lot less $$$$. So it brings up the point that you may get exactly what you are willing to pay for for their quality for repo or original. example: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-Model-A...3D231487804099 I must admit that I have restored 3 Model A's over the last 30 years and have never purchased a Ford Script Oil Can ever. I do remember going to swap meets and wading through boxes with lots of the Oil cans, Jacks, cranks, etc.... Last Model A swap I attended last week I really did not see any. I guess I was just stunned about a oil can going for well over a $100 bill......

03-02-2015, 09:02 AM	#10
Afordman31 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Michigan Posts: 580	Re: Why are EBay oil cans more expensive then the vendors? Like my Dad alway's said: It's worth what you want to pay for it. Afordman31

03-02-2015, 10:53 AM	#12
Ron in Quincy Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Quincy, CA. Posts: 1,708	Re: Why are EBay oil cans more expensive then the vendors? There are two types of Script Oil Cans.The one for Model T has inside threads for the spout cover. The one for Model A has outside threads for the spout cover. The T Oil Can is not acceptable for Judging, Ron

03-02-2015, 01:42 PM	#13
Bruce_MO Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 433	Re: Why are EBay oil cans more expensive then the vendors? Actually, there were a number of different styles & suppliers of oil cans... at least 6 or more as I recall. The "Vintage Ford" magazine for the Model T club had an in-depth article on oil can variations a few years ago. It covered all the different sizes and styles of the script, internal vs. external threads, etc. I understand that oil cans were deleted from the list of standard "A" toolkit items after May '28. Saw that recently on the Model A Ford Club site.

03-02-2015, 04:57 PM	#14
Ron in Quincy Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Quincy, CA. Posts: 1,708	Re: Why are EBay oil cans more expensive then the vendors? Bruce, You are correct about the variations on the markings on the oil can. The thing that is confusing, MAFCA and MARK will accept the T tire pump with the T number on the bottom for the very early 1928 A's; why do they not accept the late T oil can for Judging the very early 1928 A's ? Probable one of those items that the two clubs could not come to an agreement on ? Ron

03-03-2015, 02:31 AM	#15
DougVieyra Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Eureka, California Posts: 1,716	Re: Why are EBay oil cans more expensive then the vendors? Be careful about these oil cans. There were several reproductions made two or three decades ago. Usually copper coated. I have a couple of these repros. I also have a coupe of originals. My originals are not copper coated, but plane steel. My originals are of a finer thread on the screw top than are the later repros., which are of a noticably courser thread. I have both a straight spout and a spout with a angled bend at the end. The repros., with their course grain threads, tend to 'pop' off easily. The originals never do. Also, the mounting bracket that holds the oil can, that is available today, and the one's pictured on the ebay photos, are NOT the correct holder for these early Ford oil cans. The bracket that came with the early cars that had oil cans, had the bracket (totally different construction) mounted on the firewall, where the top and bottom of the cowl were bolted together. The original holders had a spring-loaded base that held the can in place. - Doug Vieyra, Eureka, Calif - Sunny, 63 degrees today Last edited by DougVieyra; 03-03-2015 at 02:41 AM.

03-04-2015, 02:18 PM	#16
Fullraceflathead Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Chillicothe, Missouri Posts: 1,176	Re: Why are EBay oil cans more expensive then the vendors? Does anyone have a photo of the Original Early Model A Oil Can Bracket??? I would like to fabricate one since they are different than the one I bought off of Ebay. __________________ "If I asked people what they wanted they would have said faster horses." -Henry Ford "Primitive technology is not a design flaw" 1928 Ford Model A Roadster Pickup 1930 Gordon Smith Air Compressor 1941 Willy's Pickup 1960 Thunderbird-For Sale 1964 Buick Riviera 2x4 425 1965 Pontiac GTO, 455 Super Duty 2004 Dodge Ram SRT-10, V-10 Viper 1977 Charger Jet Boat,460 Ford,Jacuzzi Jet Front Engine Nostalgia Dragster,Supercharged 296 "Fullrace Flathead" Ford Engine Build up on DVD ask

03-04-2015, 04:56 PM	#17
DougVieyra Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Eureka, California Posts: 1,716	Re: Why are EBay oil cans more expensive then the vendors? The reason they are not being made today, is that they would be extremely difficult to produce at a cost-exceptable price. The are somewhat complex as compared to the currently available (but wrong) oil can brackets. Sorry I don't have a camera (phone or otherwise) to take a photo of the two I have. But I bet MARCO does . . . . he seems to have well documented and photographed just about everything that has to do with the Ford Model A. If no one else does, perhaps he might stumble upon this thread and reply with a photo of the original 1928 holder of the oil can. - Doug Vieyra

03-04-2015, 06:25 PM	#18
1931 flamingo Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: new britain,ct 06052 Posts: 9,390	Re: Why are EBay oil cans more expensive then the vendors? [email protected]: Please enlighten me as to which vendor(s) sell the oil can?? Years ago Sac Vintage did but it's not in the last catalog I have. Thanks in advance. paul in CT

03-04-2015, 08:28 PM	#19
Joe K Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Cow Hampshire Posts: 4,188	Re: Why are EBay oil cans more expensive then the vendors? IIRC, the repop oil can is one of the fatalities of the "Ford Trademark" issue of the late 1980s. Someone, possibly MARK had a bunch of them made in China (or pacific rim anyway) and the trademark/licensing thing put the deal on kabosh. A restocking was never repeated. I own a 29 truck and while never original, it might make a nice "oh look how thoughtful" moment for someone looking under the hood who doesn't know the Judging Standards. Maybe a plain "Eagle" can will do just as well? Likely Eagle made the originals with script. Joe K __________________ Shudda kept the horse.