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flathead48 · 03-19-2012, 07:04 PM

Does anyone know anything about safety catches for the old Fords so rear wheel won't come all the way off in case an axle breaks. Thanks Rick

paul2748 · 03-19-2012, 07:19 PM

Yes - Speedway used to carry them. I have a set I bought from them, but only used a very short time.

They attach using the bolts for the wheel cylinder.

If I still have them and you want a set, you can have them for the cost of shipping

laryh · 03-19-2012, 07:39 PM

I am using a set from Speedway. My advice is to not use the bolts that came with the set. Use studs with washers and a nut on the outside. It sure makes life easier if you have to work on your brakes etc.

1oldtimer · 03-20-2012, 12:00 AM

Vern Tardel makes them, speedaway copied them.....but they don't work with the lincoln brakes.

http://www.verntardel.com/collection...-drum-retainer

flathead48 · 03-20-2012, 06:56 AM

Paul, thanks for the offer I would like to use them now that I am working on the car and thanks to all that responded. Rick

46fatford · 03-20-2012, 03:57 PM

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I have the Speedway retainers on my 46 coupe. I really had to grind on them to get them to not rub on the drum.
Matt

Vic Piano · 03-20-2012, 04:05 PM

I use them on our '39 CS and '47 Convert.

I'd like to put them on our '39 LZ. Does anyone make them for Lincoln Zephyrs, or will we have to fabricate something?

Kube · 03-20-2012, 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flathead48

Does anyone know anything about safety catches for the old Fords so rear wheel won't come all the way off in case an axle breaks. Thanks Rick

I worked on a clients 48 coupe that had these. Good thing as he did break an axle. they worked as designed.

Ken/Alabama · 03-20-2012, 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vic Piano

I use them on our '39 CS and '47 Convert.

I'd like to put them on our '39 LZ. Does anyone make them for Lincoln Zephyrs, or will we have to fabricate something?

Hey Vic, Once upon a time you could buy a kit for the early Fords and I believe it would also work on the Zephyr. It had a ring that fit over the hub where the bearing and seal is and had bolts that went throught the backing plate bolt holes. To keep this from letting the hub slide off when an axle broke it had another ring that got welded toward the end of the hub . I have been searching for a picture of one of these and if I find it I will post it. The only ones I see for sale now are the ones that hang out over the drums and I dont think they will work on the Zephyr.

19Fordy · 03-21-2012, 06:22 AM

Ken, I remember seeing those also. Can't remember where, but it was a while ago. Please post the info. if you find it. Thanks, JIM

Vic Piano · 03-21-2012, 06:49 AM

Ken thanks. I hope you can find (and post) a picture, I'd like to see it. I’ve got the rear out of the Zephyr so, if I can find something to effectively provide a level of safety, now would be a good time to install it. Vic

41 Fords ohio · 03-21-2012, 07:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 46fatford

I have the Speedway retainers on my 46 coupe. I really had to grind on them to get them to not rub on the drum.
Matt

I had the same problem with fitting mine on my 41. Glad I had them I broke my drive axle a month ago and they do work.

Enbloc · 03-21-2012, 07:22 AM

I think these are the alternate type that are being talked about.

01475

SAFETY HUB ADAPTORS-REAR 1928-48

1928-48. Temporarily holds the axle, hub and wheel in place if the axle were to fail. Set of 2 for the left and right sides of the rear housing. Comes with lock rings and hardware. Lock rings need to be welded in place after installation. Hub not included. 211A P. 422

These are on Sacremento Vintage Fords website.

19Fordy · 03-21-2012, 10:00 AM

Thanks Enbloc. Do you know how they actually fit on the car? If you happen to find a photo of those installed on a car or explain how they are installed please post it also. I wonder if they somehow fit where the stock Ford grease retainer is. What are those long 'pins" for? Thanks, JIM

Vic Piano · 03-21-2012, 10:13 AM

Thanks Enbolc, I've got the same questions as 19Fordy. Vic

4dFord/SC · 03-21-2012, 10:17 AM

Here's a iink to the Speedway Brake Drum Retainers: http://www.speedwaymotors.com/Early-...iner,1981.html

Had to grind them a bit to fit on my '40, too. Fortunately, have not yet had an opportunity to test them.

Ken/Alabama · 03-21-2012, 12:14 PM

Thanks for the photo Enbloc. Those are the ones I'm talking about . Who sells them? Like Vic I need them for my ZePhyr

Enbloc · 03-21-2012, 12:15 PM

The large casting slids over the bearing housing inside the drum. The small steel ring is then welded to the bearing housing in the appropriate place. The casting is now trapped on the hub by the welded ring.
Two of the studs are threaded into the casting and protrude towards the backing plate. Two of the backing plate bolts are removed and the studs will now take their place in the axle casing.

What you end up with is the casting "floating" around the hub. If the axle was to break and start to move it would be stopped by the ring hitting the floating casting which itself is fixed permantly to the axle casing.

When fitted you would have to undo and remove the nuts on the studs that are attached to the axle housing if you wanted to remove the hub as normal.

Enbloc · 03-21-2012, 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken/Alabama

Thanks for the photo Enbloc. Those are the ones I'm talking about . Who sells them? Like Vic I need them for my ZePhyr

Sacremento Vintage Ford.

http://www.vintageford.com/sect_sear...y=Axle-%20Rear

19Fordy · 03-21-2012, 02:39 PM

Enbloc, Thank you very much for all the helpful details. That looks like something I would like to try making, (wish I had a lathe) just for the personal satisfaction of doing so. If anyone buys a set and installs them, please take an post photos of the step-by-step process. Thanks again to all those folks who conributed to this thread. JIM

03-19-2012, 07:04 PM	#1
flathead48 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Saratoga Springs, NY Posts: 1,110	rear wheel safety catches Does anyone know anything about safety catches for the old Fords so rear wheel won't come all the way off in case an axle breaks. Thanks Rick

03-19-2012, 07:19 PM	#2
paul2748 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Midland Park, NJ Posts: 3,982	Re: rear wheel safety catches Yes - Speedway used to carry them. I have a set I bought from them, but only used a very short time. They attach using the bolts for the wheel cylinder. If I still have them and you want a set, you can have them for the cost of shipping

03-19-2012, 07:39 PM	#3
laryh Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: western Pa. Posts: 72	Re: rear wheel safety catches I am using a set from Speedway. My advice is to not use the bolts that came with the set. Use studs with washers and a nut on the outside. It sure makes life easier if you have to work on your brakes etc.

03-20-2012, 12:00 AM	#4
1oldtimer Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: South Orange County, Ca. Posts: 685	Re: rear wheel safety catches Vern Tardel makes them, speedaway copied them.....but they don't work with the lincoln brakes. http://www.verntardel.com/collection...-drum-retainer

03-20-2012, 06:56 AM	#5
flathead48 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Saratoga Springs, NY Posts: 1,110	Re: rear wheel safety catches Paul, thanks for the offer I would like to use them now that I am working on the car and thanks to all that responded. Rick

03-20-2012, 03:57 PM	#6
46fatford Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Indiana Posts: 338	Re: rear wheel safety catches Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) I have the Speedway retainers on my 46 coupe. I really had to grind on them to get them to not rub on the drum. Matt __________________ "..Nothin' outrun my V8 Ford" (Chuck Berry) S.M.I.B.

03-20-2012, 04:05 PM	#7
Vic Piano Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Odessa, FL Posts: 7,611	Re: rear wheel safety catches I use them on our '39 CS and '47 Convert. I'd like to put them on our '39 LZ. Does anyone make them for Lincoln Zephyrs, or will we have to fabricate something? __________________ Imagination is more important than knowledge.

03-21-2012, 06:22 AM	#10
19Fordy Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Coral Springs FL Posts: 10,949	Re: rear wheel safety catches Ken, I remember seeing those also. Can't remember where, but it was a while ago. Please post the info. if you find it. Thanks, JIM

03-21-2012, 06:49 AM	#11
Vic Piano Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Odessa, FL Posts: 7,611	Re: rear wheel safety catches Ken thanks. I hope you can find (and post) a picture, I'd like to see it. I’ve got the rear out of the Zephyr so, if I can find something to effectively provide a level of safety, now would be a good time to install it. Vic __________________ Imagination is more important than knowledge.

03-21-2012, 07:22 AM	#13
Enbloc Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: London, UK. Posts: 195	Re: rear wheel safety catches I think these are the alternate type that are being talked about. 01475 SAFETY HUB ADAPTORS-REAR 1928-48 1928-48. Temporarily holds the axle, hub and wheel in place if the axle were to fail. Set of 2 for the left and right sides of the rear housing. Comes with lock rings and hardware. Lock rings need to be welded in place after installation. Hub not included. 211A P. 422 These are on Sacremento Vintage Fords website.

03-21-2012, 10:00 AM	#14
19Fordy Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Coral Springs FL Posts: 10,949	Re: rear wheel safety catches Thanks Enbloc. Do you know how they actually fit on the car? If you happen to find a photo of those installed on a car or explain how they are installed please post it also. I wonder if they somehow fit where the stock Ford grease retainer is. What are those long 'pins" for? Thanks, JIM

03-21-2012, 10:13 AM	#15
Vic Piano Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Odessa, FL Posts: 7,611	Re: rear wheel safety catches Thanks Enbolc, I've got the same questions as 19Fordy. Vic __________________ Imagination is more important than knowledge.

03-21-2012, 10:17 AM	#16
4dFord/SC Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Columbia, SC Posts: 1,579	Re: rear wheel safety catches Here's a iink to the Speedway Brake Drum Retainers: http://www.speedwaymotors.com/Early-...iner,1981.html Had to grind them a bit to fit on my '40, too. Fortunately, have not yet had an opportunity to test them.

03-21-2012, 12:14 PM	#17
Ken/Alabama Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Alabama Posts: 3,260	Re: rear wheel safety catches Thanks for the photo Enbloc. Those are the ones I'm talking about . Who sells them? Like Vic I need them for my ZePhyr

03-21-2012, 12:15 PM	#18
Enbloc Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: London, UK. Posts: 195	Re: rear wheel safety catches The large casting slids over the bearing housing inside the drum. The small steel ring is then welded to the bearing housing in the appropriate place. The casting is now trapped on the hub by the welded ring. Two of the studs are threaded into the casting and protrude towards the backing plate. Two of the backing plate bolts are removed and the studs will now take their place in the axle casing. What you end up with is the casting "floating" around the hub. If the axle was to break and start to move it would be stopped by the ring hitting the floating casting which itself is fixed permantly to the axle casing. When fitted you would have to undo and remove the nuts on the studs that are attached to the axle housing if you wanted to remove the hub as normal.

03-21-2012, 02:39 PM	#20
19Fordy Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Coral Springs FL Posts: 10,949	Re: rear wheel safety catches Enbloc, Thank you very much for all the helpful details. That looks like something I would like to try making, (wish I had a lathe) just for the personal satisfaction of doing so. If anyone buys a set and installs them, please take an post photos of the step-by-step process. Thanks again to all those folks who conributed to this thread. JIM