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Old 02-23-2016, 04:17 PM   #1
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Default Hand wiper setup

Can anyone tell me where I can find pictures of the hand wiper setup on the inside of the windshield of a '29 CCPU?
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Old 02-23-2016, 04:48 PM   #2
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The picture below is a NOS 28/29 open car manual wiper. The short part goes though the top part of the windshield. The handle with the plated knob is on the inside. I should add that 28/29 CCPU's uses a wiper that has a slightly longer part that goes through the tube on the top of the windshield, otherwise they look the same.
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Old 02-23-2016, 05:39 PM   #3
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I have a repro hand wiper on my ,29 Phaeton and it's a POS. Anybody able to tell me where I can get a decent one. I gave up dealing with Berts a long time ago That's a whole story on its own but I won't go there now) so they are out.
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Old 02-23-2016, 05:54 PM   #4
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Thanks for the reply Rusty. I apologize that I did not make myself clearer. it's the setup on the windshield that I'm looking for. I've seen mention of "tubing" and I don't know what that refers to
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Old 02-23-2016, 06:06 PM   #5
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Is this what you are looking for?

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Old 02-23-2016, 06:41 PM   #6
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I think mine is missing that tubing piece. Probably why it doesn't work worth s@*#!
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Old 02-23-2016, 07:46 PM   #7
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I think mine has been altered..the tube looks shorter than Bob's drawing...

Probably a repro wiper arm...
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Old 02-23-2016, 08:04 PM   #8
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Here is a pretty good picture of the wiper tube on my 29 CCPU. It appears to be spot welded to the top of the windshield frame as well as the 2 rivets on the vertical part. I don't think parts suppliers sell the tube part used on the windshield.
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Old 02-23-2016, 09:27 PM   #9
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Will this Help?
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Old 02-23-2016, 10:35 PM   #10
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The picture of Rusty's is the way my 1929 CCPU and still is on my huckster. Hand wiper does not work worth a darn. I am thinking on getting my electric wiper motor repaired and install it.
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Old 02-24-2016, 03:46 PM   #11
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I bought that tube from Burt's a few years ago. They had an old windshield frame that I was able to take the tube off, and place it on my windshield. It looks great, but I use Rain-ex.
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Old 02-24-2016, 06:39 PM   #12
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My 1929 RDSTR PU is not on the road yet. My Skyline A's members kept telling me that the hand-wiper would be fine with RAIN-EX. I wondered about that, but a month ago I bought some washer fluid with RAIN-EX for my 2011 T&C, and all I can say is WOW!

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Old 02-24-2016, 07:22 PM   #13
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The hand wiper on my 28 Phaeton works about as good as used toilet paper.

Rain-X is the way to go.
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Old 02-25-2016, 08:59 PM   #14
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Question Rusty,

Does this look correct for the 82-A Windshield frame?
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Old 02-26-2016, 12:07 AM   #15
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Papa's CCPU,
The lower picture is the correct windshield with the tube for the wiper shaft. However the hinge part has been cut out way too wide. The hinge part with the cutout for the wiper should be about 1/2" to 5/8" if I remember correctly.
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Old 02-26-2016, 01:00 AM   #16
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Thanks Rusty
Also seems like the tube is shorter than is should be.....
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Old 02-26-2016, 10:17 AM   #17
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Papa's CCPU,
The picture you posted doesn't allow me to see the length of the tube very well. The tube bracket riveted to your windshield flame looks correct, however it is possible that someone cut it off for some reason. Depending on how picky you are, if the tube was indeed cut off, a solution to the problem is to use a spring like a fellow did in the picture attached. I can measure the length of the tube on one of my windshields and post it here in Fordbarn if you want me to.
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Old 02-26-2016, 10:44 AM   #18
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Thanks Rusty,
It's a windshield I am looking at to buy. Hoping to get better pictures today....
I have read that the Pickup is different in size, but could not find any reference using the search to come p with dimensions.
Is the pickup windshield taller?
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Old 02-26-2016, 11:10 AM   #19
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I am sure that a 28/29 pickup windshield frame is the same as a passenger car's windshield frame. The difference, as you know, is the wiper area. One of the reasons I am sure a pickup windshield is the same as a passenger car windshield is in the Ford Service Bulletins, the glass chart on page 250 shows the glass (PN A-45455) as the same for both windshields.
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Old 02-26-2016, 11:15 AM   #20
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The closed car windshield frame is the same as ccpu. Be aware that the 26-27 T coupe/tudor windshield frame looks the same, but is a different size. Likely would have the hand operated wiper with the same tube. Rod
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Old 02-26-2016, 12:42 PM   #21
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I just measure one of my CCPU windshields tube for the manual wiper. I am postive it is original and hasn't been cut off. It is very close to 1 9/16" from from the inside of the frame to the end of the tube.
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I just measure one of my CCPU windshields tube for the manual wiper. I am postive it is original and hasn't been cut off. It is very close to 1 9/16" from from the inside of the frame to the end of the tube.
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That is great to know...

Mine was cut off to about 3/4" to allow the use of a different wiper arm....

So Now I know what to look for in an original wiper....
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Old 02-26-2016, 01:32 PM   #23
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I believe there are two styles of manual wipers. The Judging Guidelines doesn't describe the differences in the two styles, maybe the next revision will. The first is the CCPU style that has the longer shaft that fits through tube on the windshield frame. The second type is for an open car and has a shorter shaft that goes through the top part of the tubular windshield frame. I don't know the shaft dimensions, but the difference is easily identified as there is about 3/4" difference in the shaft lengths. 1955cj5, your wiper might have been original made for an open car, as it looks similar to an open car wiper with a shorter shaft.
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Old 02-26-2016, 01:45 PM   #24
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Thanks Rusty, I'm sure you are right.....the original looking arm and the chrome replacement are the same size....I only see one hand wiper available from the vendors and it looks just like the one that is already installed...

https://www.brattons.com/hand-operated-wiper.html
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Ya Rusty, I agree..3/4" should be OC frame..

I still haven't figured out the "washers" for the wiper on the open cars. I have one that
is staked on the out side of the shaft and others that don't have any
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Thanks to the thread starter for posting...!

Now I'm wondering if maybe I have a windshield frame from a car and not a pickup..

Do these holes mean anything or are they just something someone added..
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Both passenger car and CCPU windshield frames have one screw in the front and two on the side on both sides of the frame. On you post #14, the top windshield is for a passenger car and the bottom one is for a CCPU. 28/29 and 30/31 windshield frames are the same size, but the wind deflector ends and the slide arm mounts are different between the windshields.
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Old 02-27-2016, 10:18 AM   #28
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The 82-A Closed Cab has a hand wiper as shown in the picture (not the same as used on the 28/29 open A's).

The upper wiper is for the 82-A.
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Neil,

You have any information/knowledge on the "staked washer" on the outside of the open
car wiper? I've seen them both ways?.....vendors?...as in post #22, second photo..

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You have any information/knowledge on the "staked washer" on the outside of the open
car wiper? I've seen them both ways?.....vendors?...as in post #22, second photo..

Thanks, Dudley
I have only seen original hand wipers for the 82-A. They don't have a "staked washer". I have not looked at the Ford engineering drawings for this wiper.
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