The Ford Barn

gogrannygo · 08-08-2015, 12:27 PM

A friend found these still in a wooden box in a barn. Are they Model A or Model T block boring tools? Looks like everything is here - no empty sections in the box. We were thinking of buying them just for kicks, but would like to know if they are something people would collect. Any idea what they would be worth or just obsolete junk? I hope the attachment is here - first time to try to attach something. Thanks, GGG

1930artdeco · 08-08-2015, 12:48 PM

Vale seat cutters?

Mike

gogrannygo · 08-08-2015, 02:50 PM

Sure had a lot of people look at this, but only one guess. Maybe this isn't something I need??? Come on guys - someone out there knows what this is. Found a few numbers stamped on the large tool, but doesn't mean anything to me. Does not say Ford or anything else on it. There's got to be someone out there that will see this and say, "Oh yea, it's a __________."

Fordors · 08-08-2015, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by forever4

How about posting a photo of the tools? Looking at a box is not much use.

Yes, and include some dimensions too. What diameter at the cutting bits, is the diameter adjustable, and maybe show the slotted plates; are those plates of varying thickness?

gogrannygo · 08-08-2015, 03:58 PM

Just laid out a tape and hope it helps. Looks like about 18 of the rings, (some are different sizes and are thicker on one side than the other), 10 of the small metal pointed pieces (two sizes - 5 ea.), the tool itself has one ring on it and is about 6 in. long and 3 in. across on wide end. Your guess is as good as mine. I was just hoping someone could tell me what it is. I can attach another picture if needed. Thanks, GGG

1931 flamingo · 08-08-2015, 06:22 PM

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Any identifying words, numbers on the box itself or the tool(s)??
Paul in CT

gogrannygo · 08-08-2015, 08:28 PM

Paul,
The tool has 15 stamped on the side and the bell piece is threaded on the inside and has 15 stamped on it. The little pieces (5 each size) are stamped 968 and 107. Each of the ring pieces has different sizes (some too faint to really read), but numbers like 2 3/4, 2 5/8, 2 7/8, 2 1/4, 3, 3 1/32. Nothing stamped anywhere on the old box. I just thought they were neat because they have to be really old to be in a partitioned wooden box and the fact that they are all there. I thought maybe something to do with boring blocks, but I think pistons are larger than those numbers. Really a mystery to me. Thanks, GGG

maako · 08-08-2015, 10:18 PM

looks like its for boring cylinders.

Mike V. Florida · 08-09-2015, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by gogrannygo

I thought maybe something to do with boring blocks, but I think pistons are larger than those numbers. Really a mystery to me. Thanks, GGG

Quote:

Originally Posted by maako

looks like its for boring cylinders.

The Ford V8-60 had a small bore.

http://www.vanpeltsales.com/FH_web/f...cs-V8-60hp.htm

Fullraceflathead · 08-09-2015, 03:05 AM

Looks like maybe a bearing race installation tool.
I don't think it for Model A though, maybe large trucks.

bobpo1 · 08-09-2015, 06:46 AM

From a non-machinist's point of view, my first guess however would be bearing race cutters.

Good question.

Tod · 08-09-2015, 06:56 AM

That doesn't look like any kind of boring tool to me. Does the main body come apart? The slotted rings sort of resemble a conduit punch for popping holes in boxes for large conduit. Mine is hydraulic but I have seen the manual kind where a ratchet is used. That thing you have has a shaft with a square for turning something in it with a wrench. Does that turn independently at all? Can you take the one loose ring off of it and show some more, or take it apart more?

Fullraceflathead could be right also. It sure looks like it is meant to squeeze together and press something or cut holes.

Tod

29closedcab · 08-09-2015, 07:04 AM

I was thinking its a pipe cleaner. If any family is around ask them what the owner or his family did for a living or as a side job. If you attach it to a lrg drill how does it operate? Does it just spin?

Jeff in BC · 08-09-2015, 01:57 PM

Hi GGG,
What you have here is a Reboring Tool head, I have one similar. Here are some pictures and a copy of the patent for you. The box may have had instructions on it originally.

Jeff

gogrannygo · 08-09-2015, 02:24 PM

Thank you for solving our mystery. What was it used for (Model A, T, etc.?). Any idea when it was made or what it's worth? I am thinking this probably isn't something I need. GGG

Jeff in BC · 08-09-2015, 04:37 PM

Hi GGG,

I believe these predate the Model A, from what you have posted your head only goes to 3 1/32". Mine goes to 3 3/4" + 1/32". The Model A bore is 3 7/8" so both are too small. One day I may make a new set of rings that would would increase the bore.

Jeff

Fullraceflathead · 08-09-2015, 04:42 PM

The Model A bore is 3 7/8, I think you made a typo.

gogrannygo · 08-09-2015, 05:55 PM

If these predate the Model A, any idea of how long? Also, what were they used for?

gogrannygo · 08-09-2015, 07:30 PM

Ok, I looked at the tool with the patent on it and it looks like 1917. Anyhow, nothing I would ever use, so I gave it back. Maybe he can do something with it. Thanks for all your help.

08-08-2015, 12:48 PM	#2
1930artdeco Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Lynden, Wa Posts: 3,550	Re: WHAT Are These Tools??? Vale seat cutters? Mike __________________ 1930 TownSedan (Briggs) 1957 Country Sedan

08-08-2015, 02:50 PM	#3
gogrannygo Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 19	Re: WHAT Are These Tools??? Sure had a lot of people look at this, but only one guess. Maybe this isn't something I need??? Come on guys - someone out there knows what this is. Found a few numbers stamped on the large tool, but doesn't mean anything to me. Does not say Ford or anything else on it. There's got to be someone out there that will see this and say, "Oh yea, it's a __________."

08-08-2015, 06:22 PM	#6
1931 flamingo Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: new britain,ct 06052 Posts: 9,389	Re: WHAT Are These Tools??? Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Any identifying words, numbers on the box itself or the tool(s)?? Paul in CT

08-08-2015, 08:28 PM	#7
gogrannygo Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 19	Re: WHAT Are These Tools??? Paul, The tool has 15 stamped on the side and the bell piece is threaded on the inside and has 15 stamped on it. The little pieces (5 each size) are stamped 968 and 107. Each of the ring pieces has different sizes (some too faint to really read), but numbers like 2 3/4, 2 5/8, 2 7/8, 2 1/4, 3, 3 1/32. Nothing stamped anywhere on the old box. I just thought they were neat because they have to be really old to be in a partitioned wooden box and the fact that they are all there. I thought maybe something to do with boring blocks, but I think pistons are larger than those numbers. Really a mystery to me. Thanks, GGG

08-08-2015, 10:18 PM	#8
maako Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Japan Posts: 60	Re: WHAT Are These Tools??? looks like its for boring cylinders.

08-09-2015, 03:05 AM	#10
Fullraceflathead Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Chillicothe, Missouri Posts: 1,176	Re: WHAT Are These Tools??? Looks like maybe a bearing race installation tool. I don't think it for Model A though, maybe large trucks. __________________ "If I asked people what they wanted they would have said faster horses." -Henry Ford "Primitive technology is not a design flaw" 1928 Ford Model A Roadster Pickup 1930 Gordon Smith Air Compressor 1941 Willy's Pickup 1960 Thunderbird-For Sale 1964 Buick Riviera 2x4 425 1965 Pontiac GTO, 455 Super Duty 2004 Dodge Ram SRT-10, V-10 Viper 1977 Charger Jet Boat,460 Ford,Jacuzzi Jet Front Engine Nostalgia Dragster,Supercharged 296 "Fullrace Flathead" Ford Engine Build up on DVD ask

08-09-2015, 06:46 AM	#11
bobpo1 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: NW Ohio Posts: 301	Re: WHAT Are These Tools??? From a non-machinist's point of view, my first guess however would be bearing race cutters. Good question.

08-09-2015, 06:56 AM	#12
Tod Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Salem, Ohio Posts: 1,058	Re: WHAT Are These Tools??? That doesn't look like any kind of boring tool to me. Does the main body come apart? The slotted rings sort of resemble a conduit punch for popping holes in boxes for large conduit. Mine is hydraulic but I have seen the manual kind where a ratchet is used. That thing you have has a shaft with a square for turning something in it with a wrench. Does that turn independently at all? Can you take the one loose ring off of it and show some more, or take it apart more? Fullraceflathead could be right also. It sure looks like it is meant to squeeze together and press something or cut holes. Tod

08-09-2015, 07:04 AM	#13
29closedcab Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Covington Twp Pa Posts: 98	Re: WHAT Are These Tools??? I was thinking its a pipe cleaner. If any family is around ask them what the owner or his family did for a living or as a side job. If you attach it to a lrg drill how does it operate? Does it just spin?

08-09-2015, 02:24 PM	#15
gogrannygo Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 19	Re: WHAT Are These Tools??? Thank you for solving our mystery. What was it used for (Model A, T, etc.?). Any idea when it was made or what it's worth? I am thinking this probably isn't something I need. GGG

08-09-2015, 04:37 PM	#16
Jeff in BC Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Richmond BC Posts: 56	Re: WHAT Are These Tools??? Hi GGG, I believe these predate the Model A, from what you have posted your head only goes to 3 1/32". Mine goes to 3 3/4" + 1/32". The Model A bore is 3 7/8" so both are too small. One day I may make a new set of rings that would would increase the bore. Jeff Last edited by Jeff in BC; 08-09-2015 at 05:06 PM. Reason: typed 3 5/8" instead of 3 7/8"

08-09-2015, 04:42 PM	#17
Fullraceflathead Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Chillicothe, Missouri Posts: 1,176	Re: WHAT Are These Tools??? The Model A bore is 3 7/8, I think you made a typo. __________________ "If I asked people what they wanted they would have said faster horses." -Henry Ford "Primitive technology is not a design flaw" 1928 Ford Model A Roadster Pickup 1930 Gordon Smith Air Compressor 1941 Willy's Pickup 1960 Thunderbird-For Sale 1964 Buick Riviera 2x4 425 1965 Pontiac GTO, 455 Super Duty 2004 Dodge Ram SRT-10, V-10 Viper 1977 Charger Jet Boat,460 Ford,Jacuzzi Jet Front Engine Nostalgia Dragster,Supercharged 296 "Fullrace Flathead" Ford Engine Build up on DVD ask

08-09-2015, 05:55 PM	#18
gogrannygo Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 19	Re: WHAT Are These Tools??? If these predate the Model A, any idea of how long? Also, what were they used for?

08-09-2015, 07:30 PM	#19
gogrannygo Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 19	Re: WHAT Are These Tools??? Ok, I looked at the tool with the patent on it and it looks like 1917. Anyhow, nothing I would ever use, so I gave it back. Maybe he can do something with it. Thanks for all your help.