Front Motor Mount 1956 Year with 302

[KULTULZ]

Here is a photo of a service replacement front cross-member (B5A 5019-C) to give you an idea of the mounting points-

CORRECTION- Shown Is A Take-Out



Why that oversize cooler I have no idea. That would be filed in Circular File #13.

[Jwawhite]

"We don't need no....Details".
I ordered the bracket from Jim on eBay, along with associated parts.
No doubt this is what I find on the car whenever I get into something.....something not quite right.
Thanks to all for looking over this matter and the great info supplied.
I may get this all straightened out in March.

[Jwawhite]

Does anyone have an idea as to the correct parts and the order they are in, concerning the radiator support mounting islets to the frame? The CD does not illustrate this mounting area to frame for a station wagon. Is the illustration for the 51a like a Wagon but with two mounts? It looks like 3 large grommets and one washer, don't know if there is a spring inside the grommets..

[KULTULZ]

Originally Posted by Jwawhite

Does anyone have an idea as to the correct parts and the order they are in, concerning the radiator support mounting islets to the frame? The CD does not illustrate this mounting area to frame for a station wagon.

Is the illustration for the 51a like a Wagon but with two mounts? It looks like 3 large grommets and one washer, don't know if there is a spring inside the grommets..

What is being shown on the 54/57 ILL is a 1957 FORD. 51A is a Retractable. At one time, I would a$$-u-me the separate years were shown but as time went on and service parts were deleted, they were combined into TYPICAL ILL.

Read the text on the left side of the Ill



If the correct ILL is not in the Shop Manual, you will need an Assembly Manual for the model year.



The actual insulator is rectangular in shape. I have no idea why the mounting system was changed (fabricated) in such a way unless they had trouble finding the correct service parts (or weren't concerned).

[KULTULZ]

Originally Posted by Herman Munster

1956 Ford Fairlane Town Sedan 292 V8 with Ford-o-Matic

Your '56 is mostly unmolested isn't it?

Do you have the below setup @ the bottom rear of your core support?





This info seems to have been left out of the 49/59 MPC FINAL ISSUE.

[Jwawhite]

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Installed my lower bracket today, it's either short, the front end is up in the air or the frame tang is bent downwards. I'm going with the last but a question I do have is: how can one tell if the front end sheet metal Assy is level? I removed the nut on the backside of the radiator bracket to frame and they may be missing a heavy duty spring. Does it mattter? Anyone familiar with the Wagon setup?
K I have a 302 in mine and the front metal motor mount bracket is long gone, of course. Today I removed the rubber and metal bar from mount that sticks off lower radiator mount, they are no longer useful

[Jwawhite]

K, in your photo above, do you have a camera view of the rear mounts, behind radiator, from underneath or a frontal view...facing the rear of the radiator? What is the makeup of the parts, is it like my photos? Do you have a spring in ea of yours? I have three flat rubber washers with a large washer above and below them.

[KULTULZ]

Originally Posted by KULTULZ; 03-01-2018 POST #25

(Asking another reader)

Your '56 is mostly unmolested isn't it?

Do you have the below setup @ the bottom rear of your core support?





This info seems to have been left out of the 49/59 MPC FINAL ISSUE.

I finally found what all of this is (or was). It's called front engine steady rest and was on all 55-56 (54?) model years. This was in addition to the engine and transmission mounts.

Most application I have seen (photos) has had this feature removed.

[KULTULZ]

Originally Posted by Jwawhite

Installed my lower bracket today, it's either short, the front end is up in the air or the frame tang is bent downwards. I'm going with the last but a question I do have is: how can one tell if the front end sheet metal Assy is level? I removed the nut on the backside of the radiator bracket to frame and they may be missing a heavy duty spring. Does it mattter? Anyone familiar with the Wagon setup?

K I have a 302 in mine and the front metal motor mount bracket is long gone, of course. Today I removed the rubber and metal bar from mount that sticks off lower radiator mount, they are no longer useful

Originally Posted by Jwawhite

K, in your photo above, do you have a camera view of the rear mounts, behind radiator, from underneath or a frontal view...facing the rear of the radiator? What is the makeup of the parts, is it like my photos? Do you have a spring in ea of yours? I have three flat rubber washers with a large washer above and below them.

I don't have a '56 so I can't be exact in helping you. Someone here will have to hopefully help and provide info/photos.

Yours has had an engine swap and as bad as I hate to say it, not very detailed in the workmanship. I would look for a good donor to pick the needed parts from.

Please keep the board updated.

[KULTULZ]

I hope I haven't scared you.

No matter how much it was butchered, it can be brought back. Are there any old car salvage yards close to where you are?

I want to know the answer to this also as the 55/56 were a lot more complicated than I ever imagined.

Don't forget, the front clip is held up with a main mounting and the mounting you just did. They have to work together.

[KULTULZ]

Originally Posted by Jwawhite POST #26

Installed my lower bracket today, it's either short, the front end is up in the air or the frame tang is bent downwards. I'm going with the last but a question I do have is: how can one tell if the front end sheet metal Assy is level? I removed the nut on the backside of the radiator bracket to frame and they may be missing a heavy duty spring. Does it mattter? Anyone familiar with the Wagon setup?

K I have a 302 in mine and the front metal motor mount bracket is long gone, of course.

Today I removed the rubber and metal bar from mount that sticks off lower radiator mount, they are no longer useful

The front end sheet metal assy is held up by the rear mount via the core support. Yours has been modified/moved to the front. The OEM front mount only holds the center grille brace and hood latch support. It is not strong enough to hold the sheet metal up/steady by itself.

Rethink the rear mount (in your instance front mount).

OK...

The measurements of the installed panels may be given in the SHOP MANUAL-

1956 FORD SHOP MANUAL

Part Four - Bodies

Chapter I - Body Construction and Maintenance

2 - Body Alignment 278

...or...

The original Ill's should be in this catalog - PUB DATE SEP 1956



...or...

The 1956 Specific Body Assembly Manual

[George/Maine]

I bought a 56 with a 302 last fall and was looking at your post mine has the trans lines to radiator and old motor mount removed.

[KULTULZ]

Originally Posted by George/Maine

I bought a 56 with a 302 last fall and was looking at your post mine has the trans lines to radiator and old motor mount removed.

Yeah, it's important to run the fluid through the radiator cooler as the ATF must remain at a certain temp(s) to correctly work just like engine oil. Just an air exchange cooler will cause the trans to operate at too low of a temp.

The latest part being discussed is not an actual mount but something I believe designed to stiffen the frame/chassis.

Is your main core support mount still intact or was it modified?

Thanx for your info...

[Jwawhite]

George, yours is a sedan, yes? If it's a Wagon, would you snap a photo of the back of the radiator viewing up? I'd like to see your mount setup. Thnx

[KULTULZ]

Originally Posted by Jwawhite

George, yours is a sedan, yes? If it's a Wagon, would you snap a photo of the back of the radiator viewing up? I'd like to see your mount setup.

Thnx

All models will have the same setup, wagon or sedan.

[Jwawhite]

K, Wagons are different. Remember the "typical" illustration you posted? It portrays just the single stud through the radiator bracket directly to frame mount piece. Mine: a stud attaches a lower bracket (front of radiator, below stone shield) directly to a mount attached forward off the xmember, also, on the back of my radiator bracket are two attach points from bracket to frame: I am interested in finding out what originally was installed at those two points. Was it rubber cushions with heavy duty springs and large washers? What order of placement?
Was able to drive the Frankenwagon yesterday on surface streets and I believe the bouncing fenders are much improved with the new bracket install.
Left photo bracket as described, right photo rear of radiator, two attach points on either side of forward engine mount. Thank you Jim.

[Jwawhite]

K if you look at the photo posted by George out of Maine (George how are those NorEasters?) there are no rear mounts like mine, but the front motor mount bracket pieces are removed.
They consist of two rectangular rubber pieces, rectangular metal bar to hold the rubber, the metal notched attachment point and 1/2 inch? Nut and bolt. He doesn't have a Wagon looking closer at pic.

[George/Maine]

Jwawhite I just can in from plowing 9hrs so far about 6". I plow early so the state plow doesn't,t plow me in. I think the front cross member has been replaced on mine and handles very good stock height. I,ll get some pics and take a closer. I did notice the splash pan has some rust and pieced together.
I check mine out and the radiator support is bolted to cross member and all sheet medal are held by that. If you have problem with handing your cross member maybe rotted .
ebay


1956 ford crossmember goodell new for $300

[KULTULZ]

Am still ciphering on this 56...

Originally Posted by Jwawhite Posted 12-31-2016

I placed my VIN number into an old Ford vin registry to find out particulars of my Parklane model. Made in Dallas, had a 4 barrel on it, but listed as Customline. Why doesn't the vin distinguish a Parklane? Got to thinking about it, was the extra trim put on during the resto? And then henceforth a Parklane? Finding other vins from Parklanes on-line, they all are identified as Customline.

Any VIN experts out there?

Originally Posted by Jwawhite

I am not positive and need a second opinion about my new to me Ford Wagon.

Here is all the info from the VIN plate.
M6DR110577
60C CDS BB 3K552B

Here is what I'm concerned about: Did I buy a vehicle that is NOT a Parklane?

Was the vehicle misrepresented?

Well, it is trimmed as a PARKLANE but was actually assembled as a CUSTOMLINE RANCH WAGON (59B). The 4th character of the VIN narrows it to 59B.

The PAINT CODE CDS-

C= BERMUDA BLUE (Lower Body)
D= DIAMOND BLUE (Upper Body)
S= SPECIAL PAINT (Customer Special Order-Fleet Colors-Etc.)

Is there anyway you can provide a digital close-up shot of the PATENT PLATE? A few characters are confusing.

KULTULZ- Whistling in the graveyard once again...

THREAD SOURCE- https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=211811

[KULTULZ]

Originally Posted by Jwawhite

K, Wagons are different.

Remember the "typical" illustration you posted? It portrays just the single stud through the radiator bracket directly to frame mount piece.

That ILL is 1957 Specific ONLY. The 54-56 is a completely different animal.

Mine: a stud attaches a lower bracket (front of radiator, below stone shield) directly to a mount attached forward off the xmember, also, on the back of my radiator bracket are two attach points from bracket to frame: I am interested in finding out what originally was installed at those two points. Was it rubber cushions with heavy duty springs and large washers? What order of placement?

Your support bracket-



...is fabricated most likely by the person that did the drive-train upgrade.

It is not OEM assembly.

The other pieces you are describing (at rear of radiator) is (was) the ENGINE STEADY-REST and is not needed with the SBF engine swap. The detail of the 56 core support mounting has been deleted from the MPC.

You will need either one of the two manuals I have listed previously and/or someone here with an original assy 56 to take photos. Without the original ILL/diagram, identifying the correct original assy will be difficult.

Thank you Jim.

You are quite welcome Jim. Sometimes I feel that I am adding to the confusion rather than helping...

I would like to know the correct answer myself.

Remember, the main support under the core support (16138) actually supports the front clip. The other bracket, just the gravel shield, grille and hood latch.