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11-01-2017, 11:28 AM | #1 |
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Remote Oil Filter Modification
Just want to place a "tip" here with respect to the oil system modification (necessary to be able to use a remote mounted filter), for anyone considering rebuilding their Flathead have the mod done whether or not you are planning the remote filter. It cannot be done after the fact.
Am in the middle of talks today with a "potential" new customer where all his machining has been already finished (by another shop) and is now asking us to assemble it with a remote filter. The mod needs to be done way beforehand to have it correct! If you decide against the filter it's simple to just "cap" it off and go forward! Having the machine work done previous you always have that option of installing the filter later. Thanks, Gary in N.Y. P.S. Here's a shot today of a forum member's 8BA block being finished up, it's a bit labor-intensive even during the course of a "conventional" build but nearly impossible when all the work has already been done??
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11-01-2017, 11:32 AM | #2 |
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Re: Remote Oil Filter Modification
just curious as to what makes it impossible to do the mod while the block is still disassembled?? I'm not privy to all the details required. I haven't gotten to reading that part of JWL's book yet.
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11-01-2017, 11:56 AM | #3 |
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Re: Remote Oil Filter Modification
Using the MCF full (100%) remote filter system requires no block machining, only a hole drilled into the side of the oil pan.
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11-01-2017, 12:11 PM | #4 |
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Re: Remote Oil Filter Modification
What he is trying to tell everyone the port where the filter gets it's oil supply is kinda under the firewall. It would be impossible to get to and drill the oil port, besides there would be a chance of getting shavings in the block. The port in the oil pan is a return line. Al
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11-01-2017, 12:45 PM | #5 |
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Re: Remote Oil Filter Modification
It sounds to me like he is saying that it is more work to do it after the machining of the block. I hope GOSFAST will come back and clarify the correct time to do the modification and at what point it is "too late".
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11-01-2017, 12:49 PM | #6 |
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11-01-2017, 01:10 PM | #7 |
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Re: Remote Oil Filter Modification
Yep' tips is good.
Made up a jig to locate a pilot hole, then bolted a flat plate to the intake surface to drill hole with a short pedestal drill clamped to the plate.
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11-01-2017, 01:18 PM | #8 |
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I suspect there are several out there that were made similar without seeing it in a book.
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11-01-2017, 02:00 PM | #10 |
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Re: Remote Oil Filter Modification
There are machinists who make jigs on a daily basis, then there are Quantum Theorists who can't visualize a jig unless they see it in a book. We all have our talents and weaknesses.
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Re: Remote Oil Filter Modification
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https://fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=38439 FOR ANYONE PLANNING TO DO WHAT HAS BEEN SUGGESTED HERE....PLEASE BE CAREFUL TO MAKE SURE YOU WILL HAVE PROPER OIL FLOW BEFORE FIRING YOUR NEW ENGINE.
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11-01-2017, 02:06 PM | #12 |
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John, Sounds like you know someone who turned the fire on under an empty coffee pot?
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PS...found that old post and added the URL in my post above.
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11-01-2017, 02:36 PM | #14 |
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Re: Remote Oil Filter Modification
Another version,home made.but a lot more work,
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11-01-2017, 03:18 PM | #15 |
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Re: Remote Oil Filter Modification
Another thing to watch is the hose connections. If you get the enginr pressure out hose connected to the wrong filter port you will have oil pressure but the drain back valve in the filter will stop oil from getting to bearings.
Someone posted about that happening also. Ruined engine on a test drive. I put a temporary oil pressure gage on the filter outlet to make sure it worked right at first start up. John |
11-01-2017, 03:34 PM | #16 |
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I refer to this as the $.2 5 oil filter modification. Because besides the oilfilter and hoses, it only cost $.25 for a grub screw. Some people refer it to the 95% system. It was originally require by the military for all engines to have a Pater air cleaner and filtered oil, after the war in North Africa. We in the US didn't comply with that tho. Thay's why all the 59 blocks have the bung on the back. I first saw this when I was racing and a fellow had this mod on his engine. At the time we were running the hi oil pressure and destroying bearings, as the oil was full of baring flakes, but the filters filtered them out. After we broke a crank do to cavitation of the filitte radius of the crank ( say that after a few beers) WE dropped the oil pressure to a more reasonable 40/50 lbs and the bottom ends lasted for ever.. I have to thank the Canadians for coming up with such a practical inexpensive way to save our Flatheads. Now, I lost the bearings in a new engine by hooking up the filter backward. The gauge said 50 lbs, but thay was the output ogf the pump. The engine got nothing.
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11-01-2017, 04:07 PM | #17 |
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When I first connected the oil pressure gauge to my rebuilt engine with the "95 percent" filter, I used the spare block port on the pump side of the filter. Some discussions here on the 'Barn mentioned the 10# bypass valve built into the FL1A filters. I still had my engine on a run-in stand so I drilled/tapped the output side of the filter for a oil gauge fitting. I ran the engine and noted the pressure on the input side, then switched to the output side and the pressure read 10# less on the output side. This was using 10w30 oil on a cold start-up and the readings were 55# vs 45# at idle. I don't know if there is that much difference on hot oil. I have often wondered but haven't gone to the trouble of plumbing a second gauge since the engine is in the car.
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11-01-2017, 05:23 PM | #18 |
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Re: Remote Oil Filter Modification
I hate to be a wet blanket, but after reading the thread "Frank Miller" started about "Oil debate numbers" and seeing the results he and "Ross F-1" got when they they had their oil professionally analyzed, I don't see how you can improve on a stock bypass filter. I have thought for years that with the maintenance schedules and the conditions under which the vast majority of our cars are used, a bypass system is superior to a full flow system simply because it can filter out finer particles.
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11-01-2017, 06:44 PM | #19 |
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Its the amount of metal you put into the engine while doing the drilling and taping...
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That system works well until the oil line inside the pan comes off the pump. Then you have junk thats happened to A few fellows using the MCF system. So be very careful.
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