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Mercury · 03-12-2015, 10:13 AM

Just took my '31 Tudor out for a test drive after installing a used engine and trans. The trans jumps out of second gear and also is a little noisy in second. Any possibility of dealing with this without pulling the trans?

Thanks in advance for your help.

Tom Wesenberg · 03-12-2015, 10:57 AM

No chance.
It's probably a worn second gear and shaft. Also check the flywheel cover for being dialed in, and check the throw out bearing, all of which require the tranny be out.

Thanks pat, I meant the pilot bearing, not the throwout bearing.

Patrick L. · 03-12-2015, 11:04 AM

While the transmitter is out, also check the pilot bearing and input shaft.

newshirt · 03-12-2015, 11:23 AM

Is it possible that you just left out the shifting tower plunger pins?

If so, you can remove the tower with six bolts without removing the transmission from the car.

C26Pinelake · 03-12-2015, 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Wesenberg

No chance.
It's probably a worn second gear and shaft. Also check the flywheel cover for being dialed in, and check the throw out bearing, all of which require the tranny be out.

I had the same problem and followed Tom's advice. It was the second gear worn badly. I replaced it, the shaft and while it was out I put in a new throw out bearing. Good as gold now !
Wayne

tbirdtbird · 03-12-2015, 11:46 AM

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mshmodela · 03-12-2015, 01:10 PM

Funny, I'm surprised in all these years that someone never came up with a split drive shaft such that one could break the shaft (2nd U-joint , say midway toward the rear end) and drop the transmission easier...

CarlG · 03-12-2015, 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mshmodela

Funny, I'm surprised in all these years that someone never came up with a split drive shaft such that one could break the shaft (2nd U-joint , say midway toward the rear end) and drop the transmission easier...

They did.

Oh, wait, that was on the AA.

Mercury · 03-12-2015, 01:44 PM

Thanks everyone. I will check for the plunger pins before pulling the trans. The original engine block was cracked, the trans was the best (I thought) of the two I had.

Thanks again

glenn in camino · 03-12-2015, 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by newshirt

Is it possible that you just left out the shifting tower plunger pins?

If so, you can remove the tower with six bolts without removing the transmission from the car.

That's probably the problem.

Tom Wesenberg · 03-13-2015, 12:23 AM

If the plunger and spring was left out, there would be no detent while shifting. You only need to shift from neutral to second to confirm whether or not those parts are in place.

Brian T · 03-13-2015, 01:24 AM

I agree with Tom W, -- 2nd gear or shaft worn, he stated that he installed a used engine and trans and did not say he took it apart, If it were missing detents it would slip out of all gears.

03-12-2015, 10:13 AM	#1
Mercury Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 16	transmission issue Just took my '31 Tudor out for a test drive after installing a used engine and trans. The trans jumps out of second gear and also is a little noisy in second. Any possibility of dealing with this without pulling the trans? Thanks in advance for your help.

03-12-2015, 10:57 AM	#2
Tom Wesenberg Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mpls, MN Posts: 27,582	Re: transmission issue No chance. It's probably a worn second gear and shaft. Also check the flywheel cover for being dialed in, and check the throw out bearing, all of which require the tranny be out. Thanks pat, I meant the pilot bearing, not the throwout bearing. Last edited by Tom Wesenberg; 03-12-2015 at 12:32 PM.

03-12-2015, 11:04 AM	#3
Patrick L. Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Largo Florida Posts: 7,225	Re: transmission issue While the transmitter is out, also check the pilot bearing and input shaft.

03-12-2015, 11:46 AM	#6
tbirdtbird BANNED Join Date: May 2012 Location: inside your RAM Posts: 3,134	Re: transmission issue Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) what was wrong with old engine/tranny? __________________ '31 180A

03-12-2015, 01:10 PM	#7
mshmodela Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 2,763	Re: transmission issue Funny, I'm surprised in all these years that someone never came up with a split drive shaft such that one could break the shaft (2nd U-joint , say midway toward the rear end) and drop the transmission easier... __________________ -Mike Late 31' Ford Model A Tudor, Miss Daisy I don't work on cars --I'm learning about my Model A. Cleveland, Ohio

03-12-2015, 01:44 PM	#9
Mercury Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 16	Re: transmission issue Thanks everyone. I will check for the plunger pins before pulling the trans. The original engine block was cracked, the trans was the best (I thought) of the two I had. Thanks again

03-13-2015, 12:23 AM	#11
Tom Wesenberg Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mpls, MN Posts: 27,582	Re: transmission issue If the plunger and spring was left out, there would be no detent while shifting. You only need to shift from neutral to second to confirm whether or not those parts are in place.

03-13-2015, 01:24 AM	#12
Brian T Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: San Diego,Ca Posts: 1,377	Re: transmission issue I agree with Tom W, -- 2nd gear or shaft worn, he stated that he installed a used engine and trans and did not say he took it apart, If it were missing detents it would slip out of all gears. __________________ Nothing can be made foolproof, ---- fools are ingenious bastards.