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Old 04-28-2020, 07:52 PM   #1
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Default Oil slinger, crank snout, crank sleeve.

Some of you I’m sure are recognizing my name by now. I’m not getting rid of this car in the near future. So I’ll be asking questions here.

The “oil slinger” key way doesn’t touch the key way on the crank. Maybe the new crank gear acts as both? I don’t know. See pictures.

Also, the crank sleeve I bought from Mac’s can spin on the crank snout freely. That doesn’t seem right.
The original one fits on the snout but will need a little love to seat it down. This one fits like a hot dog down a hallway. I only bought it so I can use the one piece seal. What should I do?


I have a video of me spinning the crank thingy on the snout but it won’t upload.
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Old 04-28-2020, 07:57 PM   #2
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Default Re: Oil slinger, crank snout, crank sleeve.

Problems with uploading photos is almost always file size.
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Old 04-28-2020, 08:06 PM   #3
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Well, it’s a video too. So maybe we cant upload videos here. But I can spin it with my finger.
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Old 04-28-2020, 08:12 PM   #4
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This sleeve thing just spins. I spin it with my finger and it continues to spin for about 2 seconds. It doesn’t seem right.
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Old 04-28-2020, 08:19 PM   #5
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You have some wrong parts.
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Old 04-28-2020, 08:30 PM   #6
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You have some wrong parts.
Care to elaborate? Which are wrong?
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Old 04-28-2020, 09:03 PM   #7
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This sleeve thing just spins. I spin it with my finger and it continues to spin for about 2 seconds. It doesn’t seem right.



Sadly the reproduction sleeve internal dimension is to big your not the first to find this out it would be nice if they were actually machined correctly but as you see thats not the case. The sleeve should be a shrink fit so it stays in place. If it was me I would request a return and refund.
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Old 04-28-2020, 09:35 PM   #8
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Those too easy. And I have the stock one to use. And I’ll just use the standard seals on the end instead of the one piece.

But what about this “oil slinger?” it doesn’t fit on the key way at all. Extra part? Put it in my pocket and pretend I didn’t see it?
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You need to keep the oil slinger . Once you install your crank pulley and the bolt and washer that holds it on it will hold the oil slinger in place tight against the crank gear.
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You need to keep the oil slinger . Once you install your crank pulley and the bolt and washer that holds it on it will hold the oil slinger in place tight against the crank gear.




Ok. So i'm also looking at this DIYford.com site that pretty much shows a step-by-step putting together a flathead V8. It doesn't look like they have the slinger keyway lined up on anything either. So why is there a notch cut out in the slinger if it doesn't lock in with the woodruff key? It scares me a little rhat something isn't right.
But I'll accept it. So slinger, crank sleeve, then seals with timing cover and oil pan in place, then the pully. And lastly washer and nut. That's it.
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Hi the notch is in the slinger so that you can slide it off & on the crankshaft snout without removing the pulley key.
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Hi the notch is in the slinger so that you can slide it off & on the crankshaft snout without removing the pulley key.
I was thinking that. But the sleeve would be in the way if I tried to take off the slinger with the key still there. So one would have to remove the key anyway.

Whatever the case, I have seen and heard enough to accept what seems weird and just run it.
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If your stock sleeve doesn't have a wear groove in it, the one piece seal will still work on the original sleeve.
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The same slinger is used from about 1939 through to the 8BAs & as the seal sleeve was part of the front pulley on the pre 8BAs you could slide the slinger off & on with the key in place.
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Old 04-30-2020, 01:27 PM   #15
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If your stock sleeve doesn't have a wear groove in it, the one piece seal will still work on the original sleeve.
This is my original one. Can I use a one piece seal or should I use the two piece?

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Can you put a thin speedi sleeve over it?
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Can you put a thin speedi sleeve over it?
Don’t know what that is.
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Old 04-30-2020, 01:47 PM   #18
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Can you put a thin speedi sleeve over it?
I’m googling. I found an old thread here that shows a references a Napa part. Buts $50. Is leaning towards old sleeve and 2 piece seal.

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I am not a pro engine builder by any means, but I have put a few together. I have never had a problems with a front seal leaking on any of the engines I did. After much research on the one piece front seals (use lots of rtv to anchor them in the pan), I decided I didn't want to use them.

I have found that if you are careful and use the kits that come with quality gasket kits, rear seals can be leak free as well. I did have a few leaker back when I thought I knew better than the gasket manufacturers.

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I am not a pro engine builder by any means, but I have put a few together. I have never had a problems with a front seal leaking on any of the engines I did. After much research on the one piece front seals (use lots of rtv to anchor them in the pan), I decided I didn't want to use them.

I have found that if you are careful and use the kits that come with quality gasket kits, rear seals can be leak free as well. I did have a few leaker back when I thought I knew better than the gasket manufacturersa.
Amen to that!

No reason whatsoever to use the "modern" seal. The ropes will outlast anything else.
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