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10-21-2021, 08:04 AM | #41 |
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Re: NEW starting problem
Sorry, didn't see this back up again.
I re-polarized the reg/gen. All wires on reg in correct position. I will do the above suggestion this am. Paul in CT |
10-21-2021, 12:06 PM | #42 |
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With BOTH wires off the gen and batt disconnect ON, it still motored ! Interesting. Paul in CT |
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10-21-2021, 12:36 PM | #43 |
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Finally, now we know it's the starter solenoid.
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10-21-2021, 12:54 PM | #44 | |
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OK PAUL! Now, let's THINK about it! With BOTH wires off of the generator, it is VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE for the GENERATOR to "motor"! Can you agree with that? I have suspected that your solenoid has likely had it's 'shuttle' (the movable plunger inside the solenoid) freeze in the "energized" position. This would mean that ANY TIME that your BATTERY cut-off switch is closed (turned-on), the starter will crank the engine over. In other words, your solenoid is KAPUT! It possibly has a dead short running through it. So, let's re-affirm. With BOTH wires disconnected from your generator, when you turned BATT disconnect on, the generator DID NOT turn, but the engine cranked-over? Is THIS the condition we now have? If so, we will run one more simple test! DD . . Last edited by V8COOPMAN; 10-21-2021 at 02:22 PM. |
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10-21-2021, 02:09 PM | #45 |
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It could also be a stuck in, grounded/shorted wire or internally fused starter button. Paul, could you please disconnect the wire to the starter button and try turning your battery cut-off switch on?
If that test fails disconnect the wire at the solenoid that goes to the starter button. If both fail the solenoid is defective. https://thirdgenauto.com/shop-parts/...ct_cat=starter Glenn Last edited by glennpm; 10-21-2021 at 02:20 PM. |
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10-21-2021, 02:33 PM | #47 |
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Yes agreed!
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10-21-2021, 04:40 PM | #48 |
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Yes,the engine turned over. Disconnected the starter button wire at the solonoid, still turned over. It's a new sol from Joe's.
New reg from Joe's. Paul |
10-21-2021, 05:28 PM | #49 |
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Do you have the battery and starter cables connected to the same side of the solenoid? If not then the solenoid is faulty.
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10-21-2021, 05:44 PM | #50 | |
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Hey Paul .....NOW you're cooking, my friend. We're getting somewhere doing these steps in a methodical manner. So, now you SHOULD be able to see that the generator was NOT "motoring" all this time. Kevin and Bob C both were on to something having to do with the solenoid last week. I'm going one step further THINKING that you have a defective solenoid, doing what I described in my POST #44 above. So Paul, let's run ONE last test. Make sure your BATT disconnect is OFF. Make sure that the SMALL wire is disconnected from the small post on solenoid. Set your METER to OHMS.....that 'horseshoe'-looking symbol. Note what your meter reads when you touch BOTH probes together.....CONTINUITY. Now, touch one meter lead to the big lug on your solenoid with BATT cable. Then, touch the OTHER meter lead to the big lug on solenoid CONNECTED to STARTER. Does the meter show CONTINUITY? DD . |
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10-21-2021, 07:31 PM | #51 |
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This was posted on his starter thread.
Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: new britain,ct 06052 Posts: 9,116 Re: Starting problem, help please. Still have trouble. I've made sure starter push button is grounded. The only way I can get it to turnover is to jump from the neg battery terminal to thee small stud on the new solenoid. Solenoid BAD?? Paul in CT |
10-21-2021, 08:46 PM | #52 |
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Paul, you may have the incorrect type of solenoid fitted. The original Ford type has only one small terminal which has to be grounded by the starter push button to operate the starter. There is another type that requires power from the starter button to the small terminal to activate the starter. Then there is another type that has two small terminals. There are other types as well. Also the main battery cable and the starter main cable have to be the correct way around. So just exactly what do you have ? Regards, Kevin.
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10-21-2021, 10:46 PM | #53 |
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To all: I feel so stupid for misdiagnosing the problem I can't sleep.
Originally I did have the wrong sol installed (from NAPA), got the correct one from Joe's. Then I was able to get the car to start but when shut off the gen at first started to make noise and then eventually it would turn over(I now realize it was the starter trying and then succeeding to engage. V8COOPMAN, I will do the latest test in the morning. Paul Thanks to all for bearing with me. |
10-21-2021, 11:38 PM | #54 | |
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Ask to speak with Michael Driskell himself, and he will make sure you get the CORRECT solenoid. When you receive it, I will be happy to help make sure that you have no trouble installing it, plus we're going to have to re-polarize your generator again. I'm glad to help, or Kevin or Bob C....any of us will get ya going comfortably. DD Contact Michael Driskell at 3rd Gen Automotive (Click the link BELOW): https://thirdgenauto.com/ Third Gen Automotive Phone: 844-327-5988 2600 Old Nashville Hwy McMinnville, TN 37110 . Last edited by V8COOPMAN; 10-22-2021 at 04:02 AM. |
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10-22-2021, 07:07 AM | #55 |
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I will ck the continuity today and re-order. The last one I got from Joe's, nutton on the bottom and Ford logo.
Again, Thanks. Paul |
10-22-2021, 07:20 AM | #56 |
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Hi Paul,
Is the one from Joe like the 3rd gen one Like that that I linked and DD posted a picture of? Call Joe, he knows what he is doing and very helpfully. Glenn |
10-22-2021, 01:27 PM | #57 |
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Yes, same solenoid,button on bottom, same part #.
V8COOPMAN: It shows continuity. Re-ordering today (2, just in case). Paul in CT |
10-22-2021, 01:40 PM | #58 | |
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Ya done GOOD, Paul! No way that solenoid should show continuity across those two BIG lugs. That is like hooking starter directly to BATT! Hopefully, we ALL have learned how important it is to do methodical testing, ONE step at a time. Once the NEW solenoid shows-up, you should be rollin' & cruisin' in an hour or less. Glad you're on your way! That Tinky thingy can go pound sand! DD |
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10-22-2021, 11:18 PM | #59 |
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Geez, you can't let it go can you! hahaha. You were going to write this off and move on to the next post previously. I don't care if you think I should pound sand. Glad you slowed down and talked with the individual and not just throw info and talking about some guys can't get it. Read the previous threads and think about it. Maybe just post the info and see what happens or doesn't. "Patience is also a strong virtue of mine, and I try my best to COMMUNICATE concisely with folks....to include those that MAY be a little behind the UNDERSTANDING or LEARNING curve (as Kevin alludes to)....hence, my penchant for supportive and informational drawings & diagrams. Last edited by Tinker; 10-23-2021 at 12:08 AM. |
10-23-2021, 07:22 AM | #60 |
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Thanks for "hanging" in there for me. The sol DID work when originally put in a week and a half ago. Just a bad one or could something have caused it to fail?? Will update when I get new sol. Paul in CT |
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