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10-14-2020, 01:19 PM | #1 |
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58 Edsel engine
Is a 58 Edsel Pacer engine a common Ford FE or is it a peculiar engine to Edsels only?
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10-14-2020, 01:38 PM | #2 |
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Re: 58 Edsel engine
the cheaper models have a 361 which is an fe.the 2 top models have a 410 which is based on the mercury 430.
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10-14-2020, 04:38 PM | #3 |
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Re: 58 Edsel engine
The Edsel 361 is the same engine as the Ford truck 360 FE. For some reason they called the Edsel a 361. I guess to have it's own identity.
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Re: 58 Edsel engine
The truck FE was first used in 63, 292 Y-block and 223 6 banger until then? 58/59 Fords had the 332 & 352, not sure when the 360 in trucks came around. My 73 F100 was bought new with the 360.
The Edsel was just a 332/352 board and stroked to separate it from the Ford line.
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The E-400 was a 390 block with the 352 stroke. FORD was planning on something with the 390 and shelved it due to the AMA ban.
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It was NOT 410 cubic inches, it 410 foot pounds of torque. |
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410 cubic inches 440 foot pounds of torque.which is why it had 440 on the rocker covers
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The FE (361) was used in the FORD based models and the MEL (410) in the MERC based models.
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Ford had a lot of different cranks and bore sizes with the FE series engines. They were Fords original versatile engine. None of the other Ford designs of the time were available in so many different configurations. Not all were FE since they had an FT in the design category for trucks but you add them all up and it's a lot of different engine sizes.
The Edsel 361 had high compression applications that made it different than the 360 which was actually for light duty trucks only but didn't have the FT designation since it was not a big truck engine. The 359 was an FT engine but still had the same bore and stroke as the 361 and 360. It was a one year only engine and had too many truck like components such as the timing cover front mount and the small port truck heads. The 410 FE was short lived. It was only used in 66 & 67 Mercury cars. They simply used the 428 crankshaft in the 390 style block. Last edited by rotorwrench; 10-15-2020 at 06:09 PM. |
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forgot 475.on covers.the 361 i had had e400 on the covers.edsel was trying to be different by putting the torque on the covers.
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The later 360 LT (1968-1976) engine was as a result of FORD being able to use the 390 block casting on both the 360 and 390 cutting costs over the previous 352. They are both the same displacement but intended for different applications. So the piston style would be completely different. EGGE pistons are for the earlier 361. This should help - http://edsel.net/engines.html
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Re: 58 Edsel engine
the originals were flat top.
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... well ... Come to find out that neither block is the same. The 361 has a bore and stroke of 4.0469 x 3.50 and the later 360 4.05 x 3.50. Learn something every day ...
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A bullet proof set up is take a 390 FT crank, turn down the snout to passenger car specs and you now have a forged crank for the FE series. Add a 428 block and you now have a 406 that will take a beating.
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Yup, all the FTs has steel cranks but they did have the big snout.
The early blocks differ from the later ones but the later ones can be easily adapted to work for an early application. They had a slightly different engine mount pad location. I think the change was in the mid 60s. |
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Come to find out that neither block is the same. The 361 has a bore and stroke of 4.0469 x 3.50 and the later 360 4.05 x 3.50. Learn something every day ..." Funny how that works out. The 360 Truck engine has a slightly larger bore, yet the Edsel has a one cubic inch larger displacement. Sal |
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Most engines have the decimal rounded to the two closest numbers beyond the decimal point. They are the same size for all intents and purposes. A power hone will change those decimal figures pretty quick if forged pistons are fitted. Those early Edsel engines had several high compression ratings that the later engines didn't have unless they were prepped for high performance applications.
In later years, Ford only made the three FE crankshafts. The one for the 360, the one for the 390/427, and the one for the 428. Toward the end of production the 390 crank was the main one for pickups and the 428 one was for industrial applications. They were used a lot for irrigation engines in the 70s & 80s. My Pop even used one to pump irrigation water for a long time. Last edited by rotorwrench; 10-19-2020 at 12:38 PM. |
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I think PLY had a 360CI in that time period so that would explain it.
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The Plymouth and Dodge engines were 361's. Same family as the 383.
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Those were the Chrysler B or wedge type engines so they are different from the Hemi types.
Chrysler did the same thing as GM & Ford for marketing the first generation Hemi engines. They had sizes for Chrysler, Dodge, Desoto, and Plymouth as well as trucks. The 426 was the second generation Hemi and they were overly complicated engines when compared to the competitions designs plus they were just plain BIG. |
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Thanks to all who have responded. This is my first Edsel and my first FE you have helped get me off on the right foot.Thanks again Keith
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If anyone here actually has a 1958 361, and if possible, find and post any CASTING ID NOS you come across, especially the block?
It would be greatly appreciated.
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The Plymouth and Dodge engines were 360 during late seventies and eighties. Same family as the 318.
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It was mentioned earlier in this post to use a 391 crank for a bullet proof engine. In the 70's and 80's I operated a machine shop and rebuilt plenty of FE and FT engines. The factory 391 steel crank is not the hot set up, they crack and break in the 4/8 throw. I recall at least 6 of them coming into the shop broken and several that were cracked and would have broke. Today I would buy a Scat product. FWIW, I've never seen a broken cast 390 crank
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the 391 truck engine were the worst engine ever put in a truck.i drove them but never for long.
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OK ... This description is from the 1958 FORD POLICE ENGINE OPTION CHART. It states a bore of 4.05 which is the same as a 390. FORD MARKETING - You have to love them ...
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