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Old 05-28-2022, 11:20 AM   #1401
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Hey Chris: Since you had the block stitched and there is a slight air leak in it (which is common), you should think about starting it up and using some water-glass type sealer when you first break it in. I had the same situation on a recent build and due to the slight air leak, I didn't want to risk a water leak, so I bought two cans of the following and followed the directions EXACTLY as they say:

https://www.jegs.com/i/Moroso/710/35500/10002/-1

Better to be safe than sorry on a repair like this! Best of luck on your show.
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Old 05-28-2022, 04:47 PM   #1402
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This an example of what otherwise is complete, documented, and accurate information on Vince's outstanding website that can be misinterpreted. Unlike with Model As, the blocks used in U.S. '32-'34 four-cylinder engine vehicles were not stamped with their engine numbers on the pad on the left side on production engine/transmission assemblies, but rather those numbers were stamped on a rectangular flat space on top of the flywheel housing. It is therefore not remarkable or 'different' that four-cylinder B engine blocks were not numbered after April, 1934 when fours were no longer installed in vehicles, but henceforth only as service engines, industrial engines, or the blocks as service parts up to 1941.
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Old 05-28-2022, 09:01 PM   #1403
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Nate, Dale, David,
Thanks for the links and information on the "B" engine block.
Interesting that Vince's article mentions that those diamond blocks had inserts in the exhaust valves which is exactly what my machinist told me Friday.
Yes serial numbers and location could easily be misinterpreted.
Dale thanks for the link to the water glass material. I may just do that. The machinist did not feel there would be any issues. But sometimes belt and suspenders is not a bad thing!
Looking forward to drag all of you through a engine assembly in a month or so.
Today we changed our the old 'casbohm' welded pitman arm with the new one. Went well, drives good!
Added fire extinguisher to the floor board in front of the seat
Pulled the shifter, and added some material to raise the shifter a little. It did help, and shifted smoother with shorter throws between gears.
Took a ride to John K. To drool on his 42 Deluxe. Going to be a roller soon with brakes!
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Old 05-29-2022, 09:14 AM   #1404
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Folks,
New pitman arm in place on the 32. Time to get it loaded up for a road trip.
Oh good shot of my drip try also. That should go away this summer/ fall if I get busy with the rebuid on the engine #1.



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I have begun the assembly of the engine #2. Had a heck of a time getting the cam gear nut off. Finally googled it and found good info on the barn. Put the cam and gear in the block and used a rag to go in the gears. Made a very crude tool to fit the round nut with the two flats. The old fiber gear will be replaced with a aluminium one. May use the old nut??
Have the crank in place with the new rear seal. Not torqued down. May have to take out to put the timing cover and seal in place for the front of the crank forgot about that upper front seal. The timing cover I need is on the other engine in the truck. Humm!
Anyway a little progress.
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Old 06-07-2022, 09:53 PM   #1406
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Old 06-08-2022, 07:26 PM   #1407
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Bob C,
Thanks! I will try to order one tomorrow. Sounds like the right thing to do.
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Old 06-09-2022, 09:04 AM   #1408
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Ford Barn Folks,
Some pictures of the B engine #1 during initial stages of assembly work. I think I may look at fabricating a side engine stand for the engine. Sure would be a lot easier to manage it.

Lots going on in this picture, new thrust washers in place, new replaceable bearing insert in place, new rear aluminum upper insert custom hand fit and installed in block.






New style rubber rear seal on machined crank:




Adjustable lifters in place. Block was machined to allow lifters to be adjusted with out rolling the engine over as much:


The new oil drain tube, off lower rear main, in place and drain checked to make sure it is open:


Rear main in place over the rubber rear seal, and new thrust washers fit into the block:


The old cam gear didnt make it (damaged) as nut was removed. Have new aluminum cam gear to install:


Hope things are good in Ford Land!
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Old 06-11-2022, 07:53 AM   #1409
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Make that oil drain tube is not screwed in too far. It will block oil passage and result with big oil leak.
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Old 06-11-2022, 08:11 AM   #1410
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Hey Chris - was wondering why the bearing shells are covering up part of the oil feed hole? Can't tell on the middle and front? (can't see them). Normally, when I'm building any type of engine, I make sure I modify the oil holes for full-flow. I would normally take a die-grinder and open up the hole in the block (elongate it to pickup the feed of the bearing).

I've not built a 'B' engine, so this may NOT be a good idea on it . . . but I do it on every other type of engine I've built.

Any comments from others who build B's and have upgraded to insert bearing shells? Is this "normal" and is there a specific reason for it? (Like reduction in oil flow???).

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Old 06-11-2022, 09:33 AM   #1411
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Dale,
I will double check this. Yes they need to be open and the machine shop and I checked them too. But won't hurt to double check.
Brian,
The oil tube has a slot cut in it to allow oil to pass into that down tube drain. That slot is on the side away from the bend and should align with the hole in the rear cap. I will look at that again too.
Appreciate the eyes on the B engine assembly.
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Old 06-11-2022, 07:27 PM   #1412
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Ford Folks,
The oil return tube, it has the slot, to be located to allow oil to enter the tube.


Showing depth if screwed all the way in.


The oil passages look to be ok and should allow ample oil supply:
Rear bearing unsert upper:


Center bearing insert upper


Front bearing insert upper


I did get the new alumimum cam shaft gear installed, same old nut. I figured the next guy can wrestle it off in another 90 years! Seems like the pin depression should be a little deeper??


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Old 06-11-2022, 08:28 PM   #1413
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Chris,


I agree. When they are that shallow it is easy to miss the sweet spot with the timing pin.
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Old 06-12-2022, 04:06 PM   #1414
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Hey Chris, the oil passage alignments look good - maybe in the prior picture the shell wasn't "centered" side to side. Good that you checked it out - never hurts to double check anything related to the lower-end and oiling!
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Hey Chris: I don't know a thing about B motors, but it looks to have a big rubber "slinger seal" on the back? Am I seeing that correctly? What can you tell me about it?
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David,
I will deepen the timing hole a little
Dale,
The slinger was machined off the crank. A area on the crank is where the rubber seal rides. Yes a large rubber seal. Hope the seal works!
Took the truck for a ride and Cheryl had to come and rescue me with her Edge and tow strap. I could smell electrical. I think the switch shorted? Will work on that tomorrow. Truck is home. Have a fire going and a cool adult beverage. Car shows really wear you out!:
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Old 06-13-2022, 08:39 PM   #1417
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Ford barners,
Found the 90 year old ignition switch had gotten full of dirt and debris. Took it out and cleaned, tweeked the contact arm and reinstalled. As good as new. On the trip to Franklin Tennessee the right low beam did not work. Took that apart and it was just a loose connection. Nice to work on things that are fairly easy to service!
One of my new engine projects is to lap the valves.
Today I watched John K. work on his flathead. He removed the oil pan, cleaned up the surfaces. Installed the flywheel, and installed the pan.
Cheryl and I planted the rest of the garden.
Stay cool out there!
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Old 06-14-2022, 06:12 AM   #1419
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Hey Chris: Hope everything worked out with John K. - sorry I missed your call. Feel free to call me or text me today - be happy to help out if there is anything else you guys need. Take care!
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Tinker,
I got a note from Nate in BG and his temp was 104. Our son Adam in Denver was near 110 yesterday. Yikes. Up here near the bottom of Lake Erie we were maybe 80. Some times that Lake Affect is welcome. Rain every other day here too. Pretty typical weather for us.

Finding a seat frame in this ash lumber for Nate. Its in there some where!


The 32 nignition switch:


Clean, repair and reinstall. I got the big chunks out of the switch, but this picture was prior to cleaning the contacts. Would be nice to find a original spare switch too. It seems to work fine after the clean up.


Dale,
I will post some pictures and discussion on John's 42 deluxe thread.

Took the 32 Dump truck for a 5 mile ride and snapped a couple pictures too, cause thats what I do:




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