Remanufactured Flathead

[farmerdick]

I found a 59 block that has a re manufactured tag on the one piece bell housing on drivers side. It was done in Boston Ma and has a code # stamped on it. There is an A stamped on each head. There is no 59 anywhere on the block. It has a 2 piece oil pan. I was told it came out of a 47` truck. What might I expect concerning what they did for specs during the rebuild process back in the 40`s. re-sleeve, bore size, etc, etc?

[Tim Ayers]

I thought those tags also gave those specs. I've seen those tags that say for ex. .010" over, etc.

If cheap enough, sounds like a winner. Two piece pan is great addition to any 59AB.

[Kube]

On occasion, the specs it was built to are stamped in to the surface plane that the intake bolts to. Usually right - front.
I've seen plenty of those tags that were not stamped.
"A" CAST on heads are '40. Why do you believe it's a '47 "59" series block?

Ford remanufactured engines were done very well. Still, how has it been stored? How was it used?
It may be junk today... I would strongly suggest you remove at the very minimum, the intake to inspect.
I'd also prefer to remove the pan.

[farmerdick]

The previous owner of the engine saw it come out of a 47`truck. Its been under cover for several years and the oil still in the pan was clean. The intake was taken off the day before i picked it up as i did not want it. I will check further for the stamping s and remove the pan which is is in very good shape. There was a number cast into the bell housing with a star symbol on either side of the number. The number was higher up on the bell housing from where the 59 would be stamped. I plan on using my 59a heads in any case. I just had them re planed. Thanks

[russcc]

If it was a Ford re-manufacture, it would have been done at the Somerville plant before it closed in 1958. I have had several of them and I believe one was sleeved. They seemed to be pretty well done rebuild. Photo of the plant as it looked before they closed it. That area a commercial area called assembly square.

[Tim Ayers]

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How much is he asking for it? You can ball park it if you are uncomfortable stating the price. That will be a big factor whether it is a go or no go.

[cas3]

clean oil in the pan is because the dirt settles down to the bottom after a decade or two

[alanwoodieman]

no 59 on bell housing, A heads which would have needed to have some milling work to work on a 59 eng--I would suggest that it is a 39 to 41 engine put in a 47 truck

[JSeery]

According to the Ford Engine Parts Reconditioning manual Ford had authorized rebuild facilities all over the place. Not sure how one is ID over another. This is the tag they show being used, but not sure if a location is on it. The manual is not dated, but the way it is written it sounds like it is from the war years.

[Kube]

Originally Posted by JSeery

According to the Ford Engine Parts Reconditioning manual Ford had authorized rebuild facilities all over the place. Not sure how one is ID over another. This is the tag they show being used, but not sure if a location is on it.

The tags on the engines I've had had the plant that did them near the top.

[Kube]

Originally Posted by alanwoodieman

no 59 on bell housing, A heads which would have needed to have some milling work to work on a 59 eng--I would suggest that it is a 39 to 41 engine put in a 47 truck

That's my thinking...

[Kube]

Originally Posted by cas3

clean oil in the pan is because the dirt settles down to the bottom after a decade or two

I recall learning the hard way decades ago that clean and good smelling transmission fluid in a salvage yard trans was usually a bad thing. It typically meant someone changed the fluid and / or filter as the trans was "going south". And, with the new fluid, etc. not fixing the issue, the car was often trashed.
So clean oil in this aforementioned engine means little if anything.

[tomcarman]

Interesting. The '32 "rebuilt" engine we have has this riveted to it.

[tomcarman]

Try again withn attachments. Messed it up.

[tomcarman]

Must be doing something wrong

[JSeery]

That's similar to the one on the last block I got, 59a.

[farmerdick]

I will try and send some photos of the engine.

[Tim Ayers]

Originally Posted by tomcarman

Must be doing something wrong

Those are the ones I've seen. Tells you how far over it is.

[big job]

All I can add, is 80% of reman' s around here were done by Cody Ford authorized. As
far as the riveted plate most just had a serial or job number. But some only had ".010"
and thats a guess, rods or mains or both?? I think Cody was somewhere on Rt 9 Somerville, Revere area, don't know. Back in the bus co.we bought several from our
local Ford dealer, I think the dealer was the only way to get one. While on this subject,
got to thinking of that HUGE blue Ford ovel all made from blue and white panzies at
the Sommerville plant. Just maybe Sommerville Historical would have a picture of that.
It was on a hill and kind of like 'Hollywood" sign up on hill in Calf.

[Ol' Ron]

It's probably a 221 bored .030/040, with ,010/020 bearings. I was in the Patterson NJ plant back in the 60's to pick up a JD 172 industrial engine. I watched them do some in line 6 cyl engines. I asked if they had any flatheads. He said they were all sold off years ago, thay made allot for Sears and other stors. Yhey only rebuild engines one way depending on sales and only blocks that met certian requirements. Most were .030 over and ,010 on the crank. However, if they were short of cores they would take a .040/.020. Setting up the machinery to do an engine took awhine as they did most all kinds. One sad news, they didn't do Merc 4" cranks, they were scrapped. Often wondered how they checked the blocks??

[farmerdick]

Hey guys, I`ve for gotten how to transfer photos from my photo album into the post. They mentioned something about an arrow next to the attachment tab which I could not find. HELP.

[JSeery]

Originally Posted by Ol' Ron

Often wondered how they checked the blocks??

Interesting question. I went back and checked the refurbish manual. Same as today, pressure tested. Little different equipment setup, but same test.

[farmerdick]

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[farmerdick]

I finally was able to load up pictures of the engine.

[JSeery]

That looks like a 41 block to me, the so called raised intake manifold area. Could be slightly later if war year production, and I have no idea on the Canadian or overseas models.

[cadillac512]

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Looks like it had a fair number of years in service after the rebuild by the condition of the exterior buildup of crud. The valley doesn't look very nice either with the sludge building up. You may have a good core to freshen up,but if it were me I'd take that one all the way down and see what I had. If you're lucky you may have something you can combine with your other engine parts to make a nice one.



Terry

[Tim Ayers]

Look around the top right corner and see if 99A is stamped into the "raised intake" area. If so, that is the good pre-war Merc. block that, generally, had thick walls. Only a sonic test will confirm how thick.

[Tim Ayers]

Originally Posted by cadillac512

Looks like it had a fair number of years in service after the rebuild by the condition of the exterior buildup of crud. The valley doesn't look very nice either with the sludge building up. You may have a good core to freshen up,but if it were me I'd take that one all the way down and see what I had. If you're lucky you may have something you can combine with your other engine parts to make a nice one.



Terry

Agree with Terry. Looks pretty cruddy in there.

[frnkeore]

I'm doing research on the Authorized Ford Rebuilder network as my dad worked at Meyer and Welch, in Veron, CA after the war. I did a thread about it, a while back. I'm trying to collect pictures, of all the tags that I can find and any other info, that might be available.

If anyone has pictures, I would really like to document them for my files.

Here are a couple of others that I have.

[Tim Ayers]

Originally Posted by frnkeore

I'm doing research on the Authorized Ford Rebuilder network as my dad worked at Meyer and Welch, in Veron, CA after the war. I did a thread about it, a while back. I'm trying to collect pictures, of all the tags that I can find and any other info, that might be available.

If anyone has pictures, I would really like to document them for my files.

Here are a couple of others that I have.

Like like bore oversize and then each individual bearing on the crank. Interesting. The other numbers are bearing part numbers for the corresponding components.

[flatford8]

Dick, here’s a picture of the one I have. This company may have been the closest facility for Factory Remans, being that we’re both not that far from Boston. Mine is #49139. Can you read the number on yours? This has the number high on the bell like yours but has a “59” down in the usual area. 59 A-B heads. It powered a water pump at the S.D. Warren paper mill in Westbrook........Mark

[russcc]

That is a very clean looking engine. 21 stud, no way a 59, 24 stud. Good point someone made about clean oil. I have had number of engines that sat for years, pull the dipstick and oil is clean as whistle, all the dirt settles to bottom of the pan. Cote Ford was large dealer in Mattapan, (Boston), on Cummings Hwy. They were very diversified and sold a lot of trucks.