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05-09-2020, 11:39 AM | #1 |
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Need to re-torque head, but socket is too fat
I swapped out the upper water outlet with a part that lets me install a thermostat closer to the engine, and I need to re-torque the head on my car. The socket that I have is too fat to fit squarely on those two head nuts. It looks like I’ll have clearance issues on the head nuts near the distributor as well.
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05-09-2020, 11:42 AM | #2 |
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Re: Need to re-torque head, but socket is too fat
A special torque wrench adapter is available from the suppiers
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05-09-2020, 11:48 AM | #3 |
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Re: Need to re-torque head, but socket is too fat
I see this one for distributors (https://www.snydersantiqueauto.com/P...earchByKeyword), but I don’t know if that is thin enough to help me with the water outlet. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
05-09-2020, 11:50 AM | #4 |
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Will something like this work with a torque wrench? https://smile.amazon.com/TEKTON-2580...9042979&sr=8-4
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Can you elaborate? I don’t think I understand the 90 degree part. By the way, this is the first time I’ve torqued a Model A head. So, I’m a bit green on the technique. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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05-09-2020, 12:17 PM | #7 |
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Re: Need to re-torque head, but socket is too fat
[QUOTE=shew01;1885478]The car is a 1931. I didn’t know there was a difference for the older year engines.
The outlet is a different shape, shorter on the '28-29. [QUOTE=shew01;1885479]Can you elaborate? I don’t think I understand the 90 degree part. By the way, this is the first time I’ve torqued a Model A head. So, I’m a bit green on the technique. What I meant by 90°, have the opening on the adapter 90° to the torque wrench, not straight out. Still not ideal tho. Best to use the proper wrench. I see the Snap-on wrench on e-Pay occasionally. But of course you want it NOW!! |
05-09-2020, 12:29 PM | #8 |
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Re: Need to re-torque head, but socket is too fat
The most used term for the wrench is a "Crows Foot Wrench".
If you purchase one, the best have the drive opening and the wrench opening that goes on the nut in perfect vertical alignment. Some are not aligned, are offset, and you have to use them properly to obtain proper torques. Here is a previous string/discussion with lots of info. https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showt...ght=crows+foot |
05-09-2020, 11:57 AM | #9 |
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Re: Need to re-torque head, but socket is too fat
A thin wall socket or either grind or turn one down. Then only use it on those two bolts.
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05-09-2020, 11:58 AM | #10 |
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Re: Need to re-torque head, but socket is too fat
There is a special wrench by Snap-on (if you can find one, they are out of production) or use the "Gyp Part" you get from the vendors.
http://www.fordgarage.com/pages/snaponheadwrench.htm You don't say what year your car is but I find on the '30-31 a thin walled 12pt ⅜" drive socket will fit the water neck. It is tighter on the '28-29. You may have to pull the distributor... Last edited by Y-Blockhead; 05-09-2020 at 12:10 PM. |
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The car is a 1931. I didn’t know there was a difference for the older year engines. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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I ordered one from Bratton’s or Snyder’s, I don’t recall which. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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I'd love to find an original Snap-on or Bonney obstruction offset wrench for sale. What sort of money do they go for?
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Re: Need to re-torque head, but socket is too fat
I usually have the SnapOn wrench, $50 postage paid.
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05-22-2020, 08:19 AM | #16 |
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Re: Need to re-torque head, but socket is too fat
I just got one of those from Carl. Great fellow to deal with. Whole process took less than a week. Thanks Carl.
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05-09-2020, 11:59 AM | #17 |
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Re: Need to re-torque head, but socket is too fat
yes it will foul up the torque. and they can round out the hex nuts. on the out let, if you have a old 11/16" socket, just grind it down.
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05-09-2020, 12:16 PM | #18 |
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Re: Need to re-torque head, but socket is too fat
If you're torqueing the head nuts with a torque wrench, get the accessable ones to 55#'s, then use a box wrench and tighten to the same "feel". It's not rocket science and 1 or 2 lbs diff isn't going to hurt. JMO
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Re: Need to re-torque head, but socket is too fat
Whew! I found a skinnier socket. [emoji846]
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05-09-2020, 01:26 PM | #20 |
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Re: Need to re-torque head, but socket is too fat
As many have mentioned, grind a 6 point socket to fit. The crows foot tool is a lousy and troublesome tool, not for torqued fasteners. Get a decent quality socket and grind the full circumference to clear as needed.
The one next to the distributor can be easily dealt with. The vendors make a "U" shaped wrench to reach under the distributor so it can be torqued. It has a box end on the bottom, and a 1/2" ratchet square for the torque wrench on top. It allows accurate torqueing as the box end is immediately under the torque wrench so there is no erroneous torque error. Worth having. |
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