Dead Pertronix Coil

[1930-Pickup]

Originally Posted by McMimmcs

Must be a Major shock for all these loyal Pertronix Barners to find out That one of their best quality products was made in the forbidden country, China no less. Heaven forbid, will wonders never cease ?

"Made in USA" or "made in china" are indicators (pointers, if you will). It tells you a general probability of what Quality level to expect.

To expect "absolutes" (rules that don't break, or blank/white, or yes/no) is a simplistic view of a complex issue.

[Licensed to kill]

Originally Posted by 1930-Pickup

"Made in USA" or "made in china" are indicators (pointers, if you will). It tells you a general probability of what Quality level to expect.

To expect "absolutes" (rules that don't break, or blank/white, or yes/no) is a simplistic view of a complex issue.

I believe that "Made in China" is NOT a quality indicator if it is a known, respected brand manufactured under that brands authorization as the company would have strict quality perimeters for the company to adhere to. However, generic "Made in China" is typically crap and there is also the issue with counterfeit "name brand" Made in China to be wary of.

[McMimmcs]

Originally Posted by 1930-Pickup

"Made in USA" or "made in china" are indicators (pointers, if you will). It tells you a general probability of what Quality level to expect.

To expect "absolutes" (rules that don't break, or blank/white, or yes/no) is a simplistic view of a complex issue.

Thank you for supporting my belief that just because it was made in China doesn’t automatically mean it is junk, contrary to the beliefs of many barners. !

[Jack Shaft]

We created the China machine,exploiting cheap labor is the ugly side of capitalism.Chinese workers are motivated,goal oriented and strive to achieve,fear and starvation tend to create good workers.American money exploits this,like it or not.The American workforce of today won't fill the demand,lazy,entitled for the most part,they don't have the ethic or desire to compete.

[McMimmcs]

Originally Posted by Jack Shaft

We created the China machine,exploiting cheap labor is the ugly side of capitalism.Chinese workers are motivated,goal oriented and strive to achieve,fear and starvation tend to create good workers.American money exploits this,like it or not.The American workforce of today won't fill the demand,lazy,entitled for the most part,they don't have the ethic or desire to compete.

I couldn’t agree less! The American workforce is anything but lazy for the most part. A very biased statement to say the least!

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[Purdy Swoft]

It really doesn't matter to me where a product is made as long as it works well . Mine still works great after many years of use .

[Jack Shaft]

Originally Posted by McMimmcs

I couldn’t agree less! The American workforce is anything but lazy for the most part. A very biased statement to say the least!

You haven't worked with the youth of today,I do daily..out of ten who choose to try to be a mechanic maybe one has the actual work ethic to succeed.Biased? more like realistic,based on experienced.

[Dirtrack49]

Looked at a lot of past threads on coil problems. I am thinking I need to go through the entire electrical set up from the PO who made this a 12 volt negative ground system. Not so concerned about it being 12 volts, but what I have found in other areas of this vehicle, tells me that he probably did a poor job on the electrical as well.
One more question for those who have switched over to a 12 volt system. Has anyone used a Beru or Duralast coil? Are they oil or epoxy filled? I am finding that a lot of suppliers are out of stock on Pertronix 40611 and Bosch 00012 coils. The one's that do have them are charging accordingly. Guess this is true with about everything nowadays due to factory shut downs.

Tom L.

[Synchro909]

The comment above about lazy and entitled young people over there is eerily similar to the situation here. IMO, the trouble is that they are told from a young age that they can have/do anything and be whatever they like without being told that they have to work for it and that comes back to a failure by our generation. It will take a severe jolt to bring reality into their awareness. Even though the virus situation in the US is very bad, I don't think even that will do the trick. We can only live in some state between hope they will improve and fear of what it will take to do it.

[katy]

Are they oil or epoxy filled?

To test if a coil is oil or epoxy filled, hold it horizontal, up close to your ear, and shake it back and forth, if'n it's oil filled you'll hear the oil sloshing.

[Jeff/Illinois]

I've been having similar issues with poor quality parts that are flooding the market today.
Kinda takes the fun out of the hobby. Big time
It's getting real old.

We all squawk about the parts from Rick's in the early 70's, but a lot of the pure crap coming over from China today makes Rick's Argentina parts look like NOS.

[Purdy Swoft]

The only problem that I had with Ricks was that they didn't have a lot of the parts that they advertised !!! After a lot of back orders , I changed vendors .

[Jack Shaft]

Joblot and Mark Auto..

[Licensed to kill]

Originally Posted by McMimmcs

I couldn’t agree less! The American workforce is anything but lazy for the most part. A very biased statement to say the least!

I suspect that you either have never had people working for you or, if you have, only a few and have been EXTREMELY fortunate in your hiring. To be fair though, most people that own a business and hire people are workaholics by nature. Most people that are content to be an employee just want to put in their time and get a pay check so these two type can clash. Of course there are lazy business owners and real go-getter employees but they are the exception rather than the rule.

[Patrick L.]

There seems to be for lack of a better word a caste system today.

There is the group of kids that are stupid, lazy, don't want to work and parents that have not taught them any different or don't want them working.

Then there is a group of kids that are sharp, smarter than I ever was at that age, ambitious and want to learn and work.

The distance between these groups seems to be getting greater.
I think some of the problem can be blamed on the government regarding some of the labor laws. Here you can't mow grass until you're 14.

When I was growing up our state started 'work-fare'. If you wanted your welfare check you had to do some work for it. So we took some folks on, These people refused to work and were as dumb as a stone fence. Or they acted that dumb. You didn't dare let them do anything, even sweep floors or clean windows. And you couldn't show them how, they didn't want to know. By coffee break time they left, they still got their welfare check though. And I was far younger than than they were.

The amount of people here taking advantage of the system is staggering. But on the other side of the fence there are folks that are working their fannies off to get ahead.
Its just human nature as well as some nurture thrown in the mix.

[Dirtrack49]

As a final note on this thread, I believe I might have found the reason why the coil shorted out. Possibly too much heat build up from having my points gaped too close. The points block must have worn down enough to where I measured only .012 gap. Or, maybe a combination of a poor quality coil along with my mistake of letting the point gap get too small.

Tom L.

[Synchro909]

Originally Posted by Dirtrack49

As a final note on this thread, I believe I might have found the reason why the coil shorted out. Possibly too much heat build up from having my points gaped too close. The points block must have worn down enough to where I measured only .012 gap. Or, maybe a combination of a poor quality coil along with my mistake of letting the point gap get too small.

Tom L.

I can't see that causing the coil to fail. There are many owners who have had their cars stop altogether because the points closed down to zero. Those coils would have tolerated worse than yours and yet they kept going.
A friend who has been involved with Model As for nearly all his life once told me to mount the coil the other way up (ie, terminals to the top) when I told him I had another coil fail. That was about 3 in 2 years. I have 4 Model As and since I did as he said, I have had no failures in about 10 years. Even the Chinese coils held up.

[Dirtrack49]

Thanks Synchro for the input. My first thinking were the points gap. Ironically, I bought another Pertronix 40611 epoxy coil. Just because I was fed up with Bosch and got a good discount on the Pertronix. I am going to mount it upside down since it is epoxy. If this one goes, I most likely will use one of my old coils and set them tower up.

[Synchro909]

Originally Posted by Dirtrack49

Thanks Synchro for the input. My first thinking were the points gap. Ironically, I bought another Pertronix 40611 epoxy coil. Just because I was fed up with Bosch and got a good discount on the Pertronix. I am going to mount it upside down since it is epoxy. If this one goes, I most likely will use one of my old coils and set them tower up.

You'll need a longer HT wire from the coil to the top of the distributor. I suggest you either carry a longer lead with you or do the change in your workshop rather than the side of the road.