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whb52ford · 01-16-2024, 06:59 PM

About 8 years ago I put in a new clutch, pressure plate, throw out bearing and pilot bearing. Recently the clutch chatter was getting really bad. I ordered a new clutch, pressure plate, throw out bearing and pilot bearing from C&G Ford. I put that in and no difference. The clutch and pressure plate that I took out did not look bad. I have an extra flywheel so I had it resurfaced and put in a new pilot bearing. Put that on and no difference. I was told to put my foot on the brake and let the clutch out to burn off any contaminents that was on the clutch. Have done that several times and no difference. I had about 3" of free play on the pedal so I re-adjusted the clutch so I have a bit more than 1" Still have the clutch chatter. I'm stumped. What can I try next?

38 coupe · 01-16-2024, 07:09 PM

I fought clutch chatter in my 53 until I installed a NOS clutch disk. The new one I had lacked the Marcel or had poor friction material, I'm not sure which. Getting an old one rebuilt for Ford back when asbestos was an acceptable material solved my problem.

tubman · 01-16-2024, 07:24 PM

How old are your motor mounts? The fronts especially have a habit of deteriorating from oil/grease/heat/age. That's what it was in my '51.

whb52ford · 01-16-2024, 08:15 PM

This was suggested by my local car buddies also. I believe they are the origional. However I put a jack under the oil pan and lifted up the engine and the car came with it so I would think they are ok. Saying that I ordered a set and will try that. Won't hurt anything replacing them.

tubman · 01-16-2024, 08:31 PM

It's not he "up and down" movement that you should worry about; it's "fore and aft".

If they really are original and we're talking about the car in your avatar, it's time for a change.

whb52ford · 01-16-2024, 08:47 PM

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That is funny. I was not checking them the correct way. I'm hoping this is the fix. Thanks for explaning.

richard crow · 01-16-2024, 09:29 PM

today most clutches come from chana .what we do is send the clutch assembly to fort wayne. have them rebuild it i know that they sell the chana stuff so thats why i have them rebuild the one i send them. if it chatters send it back. years ago we would never use a rebuilt clutch in a ford we all ways installed a new one. today thats not posable i have herd a lot of bad press about fort wayne i have never had a problem with having them rebuild my clutch. does the clutch you took out have adj. fingers. if not get one that does i have four fords & not one has chatter

GB SISSON · 01-16-2024, 11:17 PM

Is there a favorite place to purchase new front motor mounts? Some of the reproduction parts I have bought over the years look and feel vastly inferior to the parts 'Henry' built. I also deal with chatter and want to address all the usual suspects.

Mickd · 01-17-2024, 12:02 AM

Put a Falcon 9 inch plate & pressure plate in mine. (Had to redrill the flywheel for the pressure plate).
Falcon spline was the same as Cusso spline -I THINK...

big job · 01-17-2024, 10:24 AM

Think about what Tubman said: Lets have a quiz. Why do Fords chatter and Chevys Buicks Pontiacs and others do not? Quote: Hugo Young (founder of Flxible Co.) once said problems always have a 'simple' solution....

richard crow · 01-17-2024, 11:55 AM

buick chevy with toque tube drive use a diaphragm clutch. cady olds pont plym dodge are open drive. some of them use a long clutch..back in the day fords were the worst mech systems. gm chry were much better cars mechanical they just did not have the look & speed. i know i hit a nerve but ask any one that lived & drove in 1930 to 1950. plus those fords were a lot harder to work on i worked in shops that would not even take them

whb52ford · 01-24-2024, 07:54 AM

I put on new motor mounts and it is better, but definately still there. I ordered a new transmission mount and hoping that this fixes it. I don't know what else to look at after this. Yes, its the car in the avitar.

51504bat · 01-24-2024, 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GB SISSON

Is there a favorite place to purchase new front motor mounts? Some of the reproduction parts I have bought over the years look and feel vastly inferior to the parts 'Henry' built. I also deal with chatter and want to address all the usual suspects.

This is where I got mine:
https://www.roadstersupply.com/Flath.../rsc-42804.htm

Nick Bernier · 01-24-2024, 05:10 PM

I too have a nagging chatter problem in my '40. Just to try, I order two new motor mounts. How hard should they be tightened down? I've never seen any comments on that.
Thanks,
Nick

whb52ford · 01-24-2024, 10:03 PM

I could not find motor mounts for my car there.

40ford · 01-25-2024, 06:36 PM

Fort Wayne Clutch-They have a cushion to help prevent this.I have one installed in a 1940 Ford and 1952 Ford Truck.Smooth with no problems.

Nick Bernier · 01-25-2024, 06:48 PM

Not sure what you mean by "cushion"?? Looked on their website, but didn't see anything about a cushion??
Thanks,
Nick

40ford · 01-25-2024, 06:50 PM

Here is just one of many topics discussed on this matter.
https://www.earlyfordv8.org/forum/pr...=18&Topic=8894
You may call them and discuss they may have discontinued this process.

51504bat · 01-25-2024, 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whb52ford

I could not find motor mounts for my car there.

'32 to '48 only

tubman · 01-25-2024, 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whb52ford

I could not find motor mounts for my car there.

For stuff like this, try Shoebox Central.

01-16-2024, 06:59 PM	#1
whb52ford Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Ocala, FL 34481 Posts: 235	Clutch Chatter About 8 years ago I put in a new clutch, pressure plate, throw out bearing and pilot bearing. Recently the clutch chatter was getting really bad. I ordered a new clutch, pressure plate, throw out bearing and pilot bearing from C&G Ford. I put that in and no difference. The clutch and pressure plate that I took out did not look bad. I have an extra flywheel so I had it resurfaced and put in a new pilot bearing. Put that on and no difference. I was told to put my foot on the brake and let the clutch out to burn off any contaminents that was on the clutch. Have done that several times and no difference. I had about 3" of free play on the pedal so I re-adjusted the clutch so I have a bit more than 1" Still have the clutch chatter. I'm stumped. What can I try next?

01-16-2024, 07:09 PM	#2
38 coupe Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: South Texas Posts: 1,631	Re: Clutch Chatter I fought clutch chatter in my 53 until I installed a NOS clutch disk. The new one I had lacked the Marcel or had poor friction material, I'm not sure which. Getting an old one rebuilt for Ford back when asbestos was an acceptable material solved my problem.

01-16-2024, 07:24 PM	#3
tubman Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Minnesota, Florida Keys Posts: 10,320	Re: Clutch Chatter How old are your motor mounts? The fronts especially have a habit of deteriorating from oil/grease/heat/age. That's what it was in my '51.

01-16-2024, 08:15 PM	#4
whb52ford Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Ocala, FL 34481 Posts: 235	Re: Clutch Chatter This was suggested by my local car buddies also. I believe they are the origional. However I put a jack under the oil pan and lifted up the engine and the car came with it so I would think they are ok. Saying that I ordered a set and will try that. Won't hurt anything replacing them. Last edited by whb52ford; 01-16-2024 at 08:39 PM.

01-16-2024, 08:31 PM	#5
tubman Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Minnesota, Florida Keys Posts: 10,320	Re: Clutch Chatter It's not he "up and down" movement that you should worry about; it's "fore and aft". If they really are original and we're talking about the car in your avatar, it's time for a change.

01-16-2024, 08:47 PM	#6
whb52ford Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Ocala, FL 34481 Posts: 235	Re: Clutch Chatter Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) That is funny. I was not checking them the correct way. I'm hoping this is the fix. Thanks for explaning.

01-16-2024, 09:29 PM	#7
richard crow Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,770	Re: Clutch Chatter today most clutches come from chana .what we do is send the clutch assembly to fort wayne. have them rebuild it i know that they sell the chana stuff so thats why i have them rebuild the one i send them. if it chatters send it back. years ago we would never use a rebuilt clutch in a ford we all ways installed a new one. today thats not posable i have herd a lot of bad press about fort wayne i have never had a problem with having them rebuild my clutch. does the clutch you took out have adj. fingers. if not get one that does i have four fords & not one has chatter

01-16-2024, 11:17 PM	#8
GB SISSON Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Orcas Island Washington Posts: 4,942	Re: Clutch Chatter Is there a favorite place to purchase new front motor mounts? Some of the reproduction parts I have bought over the years look and feel vastly inferior to the parts 'Henry' built. I also deal with chatter and want to address all the usual suspects. __________________ Owner/Operator of 'Jailbar Ranch' on the side of Mt. Pickett. Current stable consists of 1946 1/2 ton pickup turned woodie wagon with FH V8, 1947 Tonner Pickup (red) mostly stock with exception of a cummins 6at turbo diesel, 1946 Tonner Pickup (green) with 226 cu in 6 cyl flathead, 1979 Toyota landcruiser wagon, completely encased in 1947 Ford Jailbar sheet metal. Ok, cornbinder rear fenders..... 'Rusty ol' floorboards, hot on their feet' (Alan Jackson)

01-17-2024, 12:02 AM	#9
Mickd Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Tasmania Australia. The land of the REAL Tasmanian Devil Posts: 46	Re: Clutch Chatter Put a Falcon 9 inch plate & pressure plate in mine. (Had to redrill the flywheel for the pressure plate). Falcon spline was the same as Cusso spline -I THINK... __________________ Grandfathers.... 'cause we know stuff and fix things

01-17-2024, 10:24 AM	#10
big job Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Dighton, Mass Posts: 1,230	Re: Clutch Chatter Think about what Tubman said: Lets have a quiz. Why do Fords chatter and Chevys Buicks Pontiacs and others do not? Quote: Hugo Young (founder of Flxible Co.) once said problems always have a 'simple' solution....

01-17-2024, 11:55 AM	#11
richard crow Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,770	Re: Clutch Chatter buick chevy with toque tube drive use a diaphragm clutch. cady olds pont plym dodge are open drive. some of them use a long clutch..back in the day fords were the worst mech systems. gm chry were much better cars mechanical they just did not have the look & speed. i know i hit a nerve but ask any one that lived & drove in 1930 to 1950. plus those fords were a lot harder to work on i worked in shops that would not even take them

01-24-2024, 07:54 AM	#12
whb52ford Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Ocala, FL 34481 Posts: 235	Re: Clutch Chatter I put on new motor mounts and it is better, but definately still there. I ordered a new transmission mount and hoping that this fixes it. I don't know what else to look at after this. Yes, its the car in the avitar.

01-24-2024, 05:10 PM	#14
Nick Bernier Member Join Date: Sep 2022 Location: Frisco, TX Posts: 84	Re: Clutch Chatter I too have a nagging chatter problem in my '40. Just to try, I order two new motor mounts. How hard should they be tightened down? I've never seen any comments on that. Thanks, Nick

01-24-2024, 10:03 PM	#15
whb52ford Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Ocala, FL 34481 Posts: 235	Re: Clutch Chatter I could not find motor mounts for my car there.

01-25-2024, 06:36 PM	#16
40ford Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Cherryville,N.C. Posts: 535	Re: Clutch Chatter Fort Wayne Clutch-They have a cushion to help prevent this.I have one installed in a 1940 Ford and 1952 Ford Truck.Smooth with no problems.

01-25-2024, 06:48 PM	#17
Nick Bernier Member Join Date: Sep 2022 Location: Frisco, TX Posts: 84	Re: Clutch Chatter Not sure what you mean by "cushion"?? Looked on their website, but didn't see anything about a cushion?? Thanks, Nick

01-25-2024, 06:50 PM	#18
40ford Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Cherryville,N.C. Posts: 535	Re: Clutch Chatter Here is just one of many topics discussed on this matter. https://www.earlyfordv8.org/forum/pr...=18&Topic=8894 You may call them and discuss they may have discontinued this process.