The Ford Barn

swoopNZ · 01-15-2018, 03:07 PM

You could always buy an original 40 coupe body shell and go from there.

Ron Pilger · 01-15-2018, 03:10 PM

Might be a dumb idea. Might not work in your state or country. Might not work for you. "Up here", in Canada, we get a fairly generous tax receipt for a donation to charity or a museum. I don't know how serious the loss is on this purchase but the car looks fairly decent from the photo and may be something a car museum or similar beneficiary would want to have around. Could this work to offset the hit? Ron

Charlie ny · 01-15-2018, 03:16 PM

Red,
What does the 4 door have going for it.........good frame, quiet /strong motor.
runs without boiling over, decent interior. Before doing a hari kari look at the positives. Doors close nicely, windows go up and down.....If many things are good do a neat pop rivet and sheet metal fix on the floor, forget the tool tray and just keep it
covered over.
Like the man says.....DRIVE IT......with a for sale sign in the window.
Charlie ny

Shu47 · 01-15-2018, 05:48 PM

It really depends on why you bought this car in the first place. If you bought it as an investment then go for one of the first 2 options. If you bought it because you wanted this particular model then drive it and enjoy it while you maybe try to sell it for what you have in it or as close as you can get. If you just enjoy restoring old cars then spend the money on a restore. Everyone has a different motivation.

mercman from oz · 01-15-2018, 06:38 PM

As different people are saying, it doesn't look half bad in this photo. Drive it as is and enjoy it. You may be pleasantly surprised how much you enjoy driving it, even if it is not perfect.

Kube · 01-15-2018, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Capt Kirk

Your understanding of "rust free" may be different than someone else's. Some pictures of the problem areas would be helpful. It could be that these areas may be a deal breaker for you but a "normal repair" for others on here that have the tools and experience with that type of car and that type of rust.

How can "rust free" mean anything but "free of rust"?
I've dealt with guys that have told me absolutely "no rust" only to go look and find it has a lot of rust / rot. Then what have I heard? "What do you expect? - the car is 75+ years old".
What I expect is the truth.

Age has NOTHING to do with condition.

When a guy tells me "rust free" I expect "rust free". Anything else is deception or just plain ignorance - perhaps both...

Kube · 01-15-2018, 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldredford

What I am trying to say is areas of rust out is easy to repair. The cost to restore is estimated around 15k.... The average appraisal of a restored 4 door is 20k. If I restore the car l will have nearly 30k invested. So, easy to restore and easy to loose money...

...

koates · 01-15-2018, 07:25 PM

Just drive it, enjoy it, learn about it. And as you go along in ownership repair one problem area at a time without taking it off the road or restoring it. A great car to drive with plenty of room in the back for trips away. Regards, Kevin.

Talkwrench · 01-15-2018, 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kube

How can "rust free" mean anything but "free of rust"?
I've dealt with guys that have told me absolutely "no rust" only to go look and find it has a lot of rust / rot. Then what have I heard? "What do you expect? - the car is 75+ years old".
What I expect is the truth.

Age has NOTHING to do with condition.

When a guy tells me "rust free" I expect "rust free". Anything else is deception or just plain ignorance - perhaps both...

Amen to that...

RalphG · 01-15-2018, 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mercman from oz

As different people are saying, it doesn't look half bad in this photo. Drive it as is and enjoy it. You may be pleasantly surprised how much you enjoy driving it, even if it is not perfect.

That old Ford looks just fine to me and I'd drive it as is for as long as I could. My 52 Merc has far more rust than that. I've done just enough to make it safe (and legal) and I enjoy driving it every chance I get. It will never be worth what it would cost to restore, not that I'm planning that any time soon. So I'll enjoy it as is.

siredgar8 · 01-15-2018, 08:39 PM

That still looks decent enough.

J Franklin · 01-15-2018, 08:52 PM

Do you have any corroboration he said "rust free"? Maybe it might work in small claims court.

Digger · 01-15-2018, 09:12 PM

DON’T restore it and lose money. Seems like you will lose money anyway so no sense in going through all the expense, time and hassle. Maybe just enjoy it how it is, don’t worry about it, and then sell in a few months to a year and get back what you can.

fortyfords · 01-17-2018, 06:09 AM

Digger said it right, along with others, drive it and believe me, you will enjoy driving it. Forty Fords are a super driving car and if you have to lose some money; look at it as money spent on a nice vacation. I have lost money on cars and its not as painful when you look at it as a real nice and enjoyable time.

Mart · 01-17-2018, 07:30 AM

Well, you must have wanted a 4 door 40 to have wanted to buy it in the first place. Ok, it's not as nice as you expected, but enjoy it for what it is. Drive it and soak up the old car experience. Don't worry about restoring it, don't spend any money or time on it. Just enjoy it for what it is and think about all the money, time and effort that you have saved by leaving it alone.

Mart.

Capt Kirk · 01-17-2018, 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kube

How can "rust free" mean anything but "free of rust"?
I've dealt with guys that have told me absolutely "no rust" only to go look and find it has a lot of rust / rot. Then what have I heard? "What do you expect? - the car is 75+ years old".
What I expect is the truth.

Age has NOTHING to do with condition.

When a guy tells me "rust free" I expect "rust free". Anything else is deception or just plain ignorance - perhaps both...

I figured that statement would raise an eyebrow. I drive a 2016 truck for work...has less than 20k miles on it and I guarantee that I can find rust on it. Might be a spot on the threads of a bolt, a paint chip on a shock starting to rust...etc. Truly "rust free" is a pretty tall order to fill...especially with these old cars. One person's perception of "rust free" may mean absolutely 0 oxidation anywhere, another person may think that some insignificant surface rust below a floor mat is still rust free. I agree with what you're saying and I believe the term "rust free" is being used too loosely when describing a car. The condition of a car should be described in deeper detail and a person should verify before forking over some cash.

Jack E/NJ · 01-17-2018, 12:08 PM

Rust-free means rusted-thru free to Rochesterians. 8^) Jack E/NJ

Newc · 01-17-2018, 02:28 PM

I'll jump in here; There are companies that specialize in 'de fumming' vehicles and cleaning them up. Vehicles from crime scenes, disasters, bad storage, ect. They use Ozone gas in interiors. The results are amazing and usually on a car lot nr you. Newc

Fourdy · 01-17-2018, 02:32 PM

It could have been worse. lol I feel your pain but I can't blame anyone else as it was quite evident where I was starting from. After 2400 hrs of my own labor in body, paint, upholstery and engine work it was done. It can be a challenge.

Fourdy

siredgar8 · 01-19-2018, 02:01 AM

That is really impressive work and dedication, Fourdy. Looks really worth it.

01-15-2018, 03:07 PM	#21
swoopNZ MEMBER EMERITUS Join Date: May 2010 Location: New Zealand Posts: 1,380	Re: Restore or not to restore You could always buy an original 40 coupe body shell and go from there.

01-15-2018, 03:10 PM	#22
Ron Pilger Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Camrose, Alberta Posts: 396	Re: Restore or not to restore Might be a dumb idea. Might not work in your state or country. Might not work for you. "Up here", in Canada, we get a fairly generous tax receipt for a donation to charity or a museum. I don't know how serious the loss is on this purchase but the car looks fairly decent from the photo and may be something a car museum or similar beneficiary would want to have around. Could this work to offset the hit? Ron

01-15-2018, 03:16 PM	#23
Charlie ny BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 3,019	Re: Restore or not to restore Red, What does the 4 door have going for it.........good frame, quiet /strong motor. runs without boiling over, decent interior. Before doing a hari kari look at the positives. Doors close nicely, windows go up and down.....If many things are good do a neat pop rivet and sheet metal fix on the floor, forget the tool tray and just keep it covered over. Like the man says.....DRIVE IT......with a for sale sign in the window. Charlie ny

01-15-2018, 05:48 PM	#24
Shu47 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Maltby, Washington Posts: 187	Re: Restore or not to restore It really depends on why you bought this car in the first place. If you bought it as an investment then go for one of the first 2 options. If you bought it because you wanted this particular model then drive it and enjoy it while you maybe try to sell it for what you have in it or as close as you can get. If you just enjoy restoring old cars then spend the money on a restore. Everyone has a different motivation.

01-15-2018, 06:38 PM	#25
mercman from oz Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Queensland, Australia Posts: 10,370	Re: Restore or not to restore As different people are saying, it doesn't look half bad in this photo. Drive it as is and enjoy it. You may be pleasantly surprised how much you enjoy driving it, even if it is not perfect.

01-15-2018, 07:25 PM	#28
koates Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Melbourne Australia. Posts: 2,079	Re: Restore or not to restore Just drive it, enjoy it, learn about it. And as you go along in ownership repair one problem area at a time without taking it off the road or restoring it. A great car to drive with plenty of room in the back for trips away. Regards, Kevin.

01-15-2018, 08:39 PM	#31
siredgar8 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Salt Lake, Utah Posts: 4	Re: Restore or not to restore That still looks decent enough.

01-15-2018, 08:52 PM	#32
J Franklin Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Oregon Posts: 5,963	Re: Restore or not to restore Do you have any corroboration he said "rust free"? Maybe it might work in small claims court.

01-15-2018, 09:12 PM	#33
Digger Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Pacific Grove, CA Posts: 1,210	Re: Restore or not to restore DON’T restore it and lose money. Seems like you will lose money anyway so no sense in going through all the expense, time and hassle. Maybe just enjoy it how it is, don’t worry about it, and then sell in a few months to a year and get back what you can.

01-17-2018, 06:09 AM	#34
fortyfords Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: faucett, mo Posts: 419	Re: Restore or not to restore Digger said it right, along with others, drive it and believe me, you will enjoy driving it. Forty Fords are a super driving car and if you have to lose some money; look at it as money spent on a nice vacation. I have lost money on cars and its not as painful when you look at it as a real nice and enjoyable time.

01-17-2018, 07:30 AM	#35
Mart Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Solihull, England. Posts: 8,754	Re: Restore or not to restore Well, you must have wanted a 4 door 40 to have wanted to buy it in the first place. Ok, it's not as nice as you expected, but enjoy it for what it is. Drive it and soak up the old car experience. Don't worry about restoring it, don't spend any money or time on it. Just enjoy it for what it is and think about all the money, time and effort that you have saved by leaving it alone. Mart.

01-17-2018, 12:08 PM	#37
Jack E/NJ Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 2,173	Re: Restore or not to restore Rust-free means rusted-thru free to Rochesterians. 8^) Jack E/NJ

01-17-2018, 02:28 PM	#38
Newc Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 2,484	Re: Restore or not to restore I'll jump in here; There are companies that specialize in 'de fumming' vehicles and cleaning them up. Vehicles from crime scenes, disasters, bad storage, ect. They use Ozone gas in interiors. The results are amazing and usually on a car lot nr you. Newc

01-19-2018, 02:01 AM	#40
siredgar8 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Salt Lake, Utah Posts: 4	Re: Restore or not to restore That is really impressive work and dedication, Fourdy. Looks really worth it.