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12-02-2023, 09:43 PM | #1 |
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Flathead V8 blocks not cast at the Rouge plant
I want to gather pictures of Ford flathead V8 engine blocks cast outside of the USA. Please post pictures of engines with features not common to USA blocks, along with an explanation of what the engine was originally used in. I'm gathering more information for flathead block identification thread version 2.
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12-02-2023, 11:27 PM | #2 |
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The v8 Pilot Block cast I think in Dagenham UK ,21 stud has frost plugs between the fire wall back of the block ,can have a Lucas distributor sometimes with a 4 lob cam .centre of the head water out let ,there other features I don't know about ,Ted
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12-03-2023, 01:23 AM | #3 | |
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Here's that 21-stud PILOT block with freeze plug on rear of block. Coop |
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12-03-2023, 07:50 AM | #4 |
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Re: Flathead V8 blocks not cast at the Rouge plant
Thank you for the picture.
I have a few questions about the 21 stud "Pilot" engines: 1 - what years was the production run of these motors? 2 - what vehicles did these go into (cars, trucks, other)? 3 - what size main bearings do these use? 4 - does anyone have a good picture showing both the front with the crank pulley and enough cylinder head to see it is a 21 stud? At this point I'm learning about several versions of Canadian, English, German, and French built V8s. All good information about these is appreciated. Thanks again. |
12-03-2023, 12:29 PM | #5 |
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Re: Flathead V8 blocks not cast at the Rouge plant
The main bearings used in Pilots are the same as 36-38 [68 prefix]
the crankshaft resembles the 36-38 crankshaft casting, however, it has the longer snout as is found on 39 and later engines. Also, the crankpins are drilled differently; they have two holes per journal, one hole opposite the other. This is to allow the use of locked in shell bearings, which are flanged on one side.
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12-03-2023, 01:11 PM | #7 | |
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38 coupe - You want some ODDBALL V8 flathead pics? Here's one for you. The 1935 or so (I BELIEVE) 22 horsepower European precursor to the V8-60. It has 4 (FOUR) main bearings as well as only two exhaust outlets per side. Also note the oddball water inlet each side. Coop Last edited by V8COOPMAN; 12-03-2023 at 07:52 PM. |
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12-03-2023, 01:14 PM | #8 |
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Re: Flathead V8 blocks not cast at the Rouge plant
Canadian blocks have different casting marks and Canadian Military blocks also have some different marks and an extra oil cooler port in the bellhousing [ww2] T-16 tracked type vehicles Newc
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12-03-2023, 01:37 PM | #9 |
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Re: Flathead V8 blocks not cast at the Rouge plant
Canadian and USA 36 LB blocks have some machining differences.
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12-03-2023, 05:37 PM | #10 |
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Canadian Military Pattern (CMP) Trucks also used the extra hole in the block for oil filtering, and a bypass valve as explained in the attached documents.
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12-03-2023, 07:06 PM | #11 |
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Re: Flathead V8 blocks not cast at the Rouge plant
I don't have a photo of one handy, but early '33 Canadian V8 blocks had provision for both '32 vertical pet cocks and '33 angled pet cocks in recognition of the five-month lag in the '32 model job #1 of its subsidiary, Ford of Australia, which was largely repeated with the '33 models. One casting served two significantly different model year startups, Ford of Canada's domestic and ROW jobs #1 and that of Ford of Australia.
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Re: Flathead V8 blocks not cast at the Rouge plant
38 coupe,
Very good! this will be interesting. I see my block is allready posted I'll email you. |
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Thank you for posting the pictures. |
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12-04-2023, 07:07 AM | #16 |
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Is this the only difference for Canadian 36 LB? Was this done to identify an LB?
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Thank you for the full length text, I have seen individual pages before but not been able to save everything together. Here are a few pictures I have been able to gather over the years showing either full flow oil or an oil cooler. |
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12-04-2023, 10:27 AM | #18 |
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Re: Flathead V8 blocks not cast at the Rouge plant
The engine block in your photos in #15 above appear to be of a early '33 transition version.
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12-04-2023, 05:26 PM | #19 |
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Re: Flathead V8 blocks not cast at the Rouge plant
Post#7. That’s one of three engines of this type that I have. The water outlet is connected to the ‘tin sided’ block. Most of these engines suffered from cracked blocks and were apparently recalled and replaced with the later three main bearing engine. My engines are currently for sale.
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Re: Flathead V8 blocks not cast at the Rouge plant
Is this the only difference for Canadian 36 LB? Was this done to identify an LB?
All Canadian blocks with insert mains [from 36 LB] have that pictured hole and another the same size out back beside the rear main....I can only surmise they were drilled to locate the block in fixtures for subsequent machining operations.
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