Australian A's

[RUNNERBUN]

Originally Posted by pooch

And the only wood in the doors is a horizontal piece that looks like an anti intrusion bar sandwiched between the inner frame and outer skin.

I got no idea what this was for, as it would not do anything much.

Would actually help in a T-bone prang, but this was not mandated law until about 1977 to have to fit anti intrusion bars.

I guess all 28/29/s had this wood in door ?

I seem to remember reading somewhere that the timber in the door was inserted to reduce the drumming noise. I doubt that it would do anything for safety in the event of a T-Bone.

[Synchro909]

My '29 tourer has the curtain storage compartment under the rear floor and no wood in the doors.
Tudortomnz may very well be correct about the tops not compatible only on the '30 and '31 models.

[RUNNERBUN]

Originally Posted by Synchro909

no wood in the doors..

That's very interesting! I have never seen a door without the piece of wood in it. I obviously made the wrong assumption that all doors have it. Still learning.

[Hoogah]

Originally Posted by RUNNERBUN

[ My Phaeton being an early 1928 (AR) had the curtain box under the rear floor. The compartment was just over 2" deep and reached from the rear seat riser to well under the font seat. There was no doubt that the timber was the original.

Same for my E28/AR Phaeton (June 28 on the firewall).

[johnbuckley]

Fortuitously I have just been corresponding with Carl Becker who is extremely knowlegable about about Canadian engine numbers, (in fact he has month by month engine numbers available.). His dates give,
CA 1 (Feb 1928)through to CA CA78127 (Dec 31 1928),
CA78128 ( Jan 1 1929) thru to CA150120 (August 31 1929).
...then it goes to the qwer extra letters which ran up up no 10000 before going to the next letter...
CAQ1 Sep 1929 to CA10000 (Nov4 1929)
CAW1 (Nov5 1929) to CAW 10000 (Feb 4 1930)
CAE1 to CAE10000 (March 14 1930)
CAR1 to CAR 10000 ( April 14 1930)
CAT 1 and so on ....so one can accurately date a CA prefixed engine.
Did none of the Aussie assembled cars get a number stamped on the chassis?

[dave in australia]

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Looks like there is a mix of 28 and 29's with both the side curtain box under the front seat and the rear floor.

[ronn]

Brighton,
to answer your question on Australian build affecting value-overall I would have to say no. The bigger issue would be right hand vs left hand drive............ obviously here in the
US, left hand drive has always been preferred over right hand, giving a larger audience.
However, I would be inclined to believe, very few A's are exported any longer from Australia to the US. Your values there are higher and you tend to hold on to what is already in your country. More economics then rarity as to value.

[RUNNERBUN]

Originally Posted by johnbuckley

Did none of the Aussie assembled cars get a number stamped on the chassis?

Sorry John can't give you a definitive answer on that one. I certainly have never seen a chassis number on a bare frame. But then I haven't seen to many bare frames either.I often wonder why they were stamped in an area that was going to be covered when the body was installed. What was the point?

[Classiccanuck]

My '28 Phaeton has curtain storage under the rear floor (wood) too

[1928forda]

My storage is under rear floor as well. All ash there too.

[johnbuckley]

Originally Posted by forever4

I have had US and Canadian Model A and B engine numbers online for quite a few years as well. See the link.
Model A and B Engine Serial Numbers on Ford Garage
www.fordgarage.com/pages/ABenginenumbers.htm

Thanks for the link Forever4 very comprehensive !

[Synchro909]

Originally Posted by dave in australia

Looks like there is a mix of 28 and 29's with both the side curtain box under the front seat and the rear floor.

Maybe depends on who made the body, Ford or another local builder??????
The thlot pickens!!

[dave in australia]

Originally Posted by Synchro909

Maybe depends on who made the body, Ford or another local builder??????
The thlot pickens!!

What brake system do you have? Could it be tied in with the change from the early two piece cross shaft and the later one piece?

[Synchro909]

Originally Posted by dave in australia

What brake system do you have? Could it be tied in with the change from the early two piece cross shaft and the later one piece?

Mine has a one piece cross shaft but after 85 years, I don't think we can form any opinions based on just one car. Any one else able to give confirmation/contradiction here?

[pooch]

The rearwards curtain box does clear the later separate handbrake shaft , in case anyone was maybe referring to the reason of a more front one.

[Tudortomnz]

Good discussion on the Aussie Model A's. Wish I had been more vigilant on them when I lived there in the ''70's & '80's.
I would think [ dangerous] the early to late '28's would have the US type rear floor curtain compartment. Some [ v. small number] of the early roadsters & phaetons were imported & are mostly all steel, but most were built up in Australia using wood & other variations.
Many of the '29's in Aussie are to all purposes '28 types. Did they ever go to the teacup tailamp mounted on the rear 'guard/fender like my Canadian Tudor?
In the Model A era, the standard bodies were manufactured by Ford Australia & in '28/'29 the 2 Sedans available [ Tudor & Briggs Fabric Back 4 dr] were imported built up from Canada but assembled & painted/finished in Aust.. For 1930, Ford Australia manufactured the Fordor 3W Sedans & partly manufactured the only Coupe sold, the Sport Coupe which had a Fordor door, not a Coupe door ; some initial Spt Cp's were fully imported with the steel Coupe door.
Most Aussie production was of the open types , about 40%; roadsters/sport[s] rdstrs & tourer & sport[s] tourer [ Phaeton]. They actually advertised them as ''Sports'', not Sport.

[1928forda]

Like I said, mine is on rear floor, and mine is a late 28 phaeton. Engine assembled in October acording to records which means by the time it was shipped and car was built, it probably wasn't sold until 29. Mine also only has the ca prefix, not a 3 letter. I should see the car in the next few months and will take detailed pics of all numbers and plates. Would be interested to see the seat plate with Australian build designation from someone else's car to compare.

[pooch]

Here is the Propert camping body accessory fit.

In 2 weeks, I am going to drop in and see the guy who owns this and see if the remains of this car are still for sale

[Synchro909]

Originally Posted by Tudortomnz

Good discussion on the Aussie Model A's. Wish I had been more vigilant on them when I lived there in the ''70's & '80's.
I would think [ dangerous] the early to late '28's would have the US type rear floor curtain compartment. Some [ v. small number] of the early roadsters & phaetons were imported & are mostly all steel, but most were built up in Australia using wood & other variations.
Many of the '29's in Aussie are to all purposes '28 types. Did they ever go to the teacup tailamp mounted on the rear 'guard/fender like my Canadian Tudor?
In the Model A era, the standard bodies were manufactured by Ford Australia & in '28/'29 the 2 Sedans available [ Tudor & Briggs Fabric Back 4 dr] were imported built up from Canada but assembled & painted/finished in Aust.. For 1930, Ford Australia manufactured the Fordor 3W Sedans & partly manufactured the only Coupe sold, the Sport Coupe which had a Fordor door, not a Coupe door ; some initial Spt Cp's were fully imported with the steel Coupe door.
Most Aussie production was of the open types , about 40%; roadsters/sport[s] rdstrs & tourer & sport[s] tourer [ Phaeton]. They actually advertised them as ''Sports'', not Sport.

1929 cars had the tea cup tail lights just like everywhere else. At least I'm not aware of anywhere that didn't have teacup tail lights in '29.

[Hoogah]

You probably know this already, Pooch, but more info on the Propert company can be found at http://www.timetoroam.com.au/propert-caravans/

It's a pretty interesting (but brief) story. I couldn't see anything about the camper bodied Model A on that site, but there were some interesting photos of their coachwork and caravans, including this one. Any idea on the vehicle - a special, perhaps?

Propert's "camping bodies" are proudly proclaimed on the signage in the window.

Sorry for the distraction, but it is related..... sort of.