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05-19-2019, 09:44 AM | #1 |
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What modern points do you use?
Modern points are anywhere from $4.25 - $8.50 and the vendors, which ones do you get at the local parts store.
Can't see paying the high prices and the shipping. And yes, I am switching over to modern points in my 6V- system.
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Good luck .
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Re: What modern points do you use?
Here is a list of points:
Points: Echlin CS30 (original style) Echlin CS751, CS755 (New Ford style) Echlin DP104 (Modern Style with modifed Upper and Lower Plate) Motorcraft DP104 Condenser: Echlin FA5 Echlin DC-1,FA82 (Modern style) Echlin MA3 (Mallory Distributor) Heavy Duty set of both ACCEL Set #8201 |
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I was disappointed here in the Pacific NW. Ford dealers no longer stock points anymore. The parts guy told me to go online,Summit, Jegs etc. $20 bucks good top of the line.
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05-19-2019, 04:33 PM | #5 |
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Re: What modern points do you use?
I use acell points and condenser in my Tudor. I have a set I have used for 8 years and only gapped them a couple of times. They cost a lot but the condenser and points are high quality and last and keep their gap.
The felt piece goes on the arm and is oiled. John
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05-19-2019, 08:08 PM | #7 |
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Re: What modern points do you use?
Thank you all
And everyone, the reason I'm giving modern points a shot is it's such a hassle changing originals, it's worth a try...can't hurt, and if I don't like'em I can always go back
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FWIW, I run modern points from various suppliers. Some look to be fairly doubtfull quality, others good but I won't touch any of them if the contact is not hollow. (vented).
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I use modern points from NAPA in one car, and old style in the other two. They all work just fine.
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Well I don't like them already. The top plate is not made correctly, making it extremely difficult to adjust the points, the idea is sound, but the execution sucks. Think I will go bavk to stock and make my own modern point set up, I will use qualiy American parts and fix that useless top plate.
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05-21-2019, 10:12 AM | #11 |
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I can see no advantage to the so called modern points .
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05-21-2019, 10:37 AM | #12 |
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Once again you were right Purdy, but I'm going to see what good old American farmer determination can do.
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05-21-2019, 10:58 AM | #13 |
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Foreign parts may have caused failures . One of the other problems was difficulties with accurate adjustment . I don't think that points adjustment could be more simple or as accurate as the original set up . I figured why not make it easy on myself and keep my model A's as original and dependable as possible . No harm meant , just my view .
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Only once 30 years ago. Only lasted 2 days and that's when the points were good ones. One might say the best motto is : modify only if known to be an improvement.
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Sometimes you don't know what works until you try ...
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Re: What modern points do you use?
My nice Little Green Roadster had mounted the modern plate and points when buying.
I wanted to equip to original and ordered the early base plate and the original replica contact points and the capacitor. Remodeled, and as I wanted to set the contact points with the maggot screw, I saw that the angle of the points was not parallel, they only touched on one outer edge. That's bad and that's why I had to put back on the modern base plate angrily. Was 'Made in USA'.
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My Phaeton had original points in it when I bought it but the block, which was made from crappy muckmetal had begun to disintegrate. The car didn't run properly and the second thing I did to get it going was to put modern points in it. They are still there 9 years and 60,000 miles later.
BTW, The first thing I did was connect the spark advance rods correctly at the bell crank on the inlet manifold.
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Bob, my Napa on central in Kent carries the echlin cs30 original style in stock. I thought they’re a well built set. They cost about the same though.
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Hi Chuck... I run modern. I bought a bought the "Best" that NAPA sells and they are just o.k.. I don't mind steppin up as long as the quality is there.
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If you are using reproduction stock style points, used the stationary points block from Bratton's. It is machined and made to be used with the repro points. Much better than the cast? block from other vendors. https://www.brattons.com/machined-di...int-block.html
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With the 1957 to '74 points, the modern condensers are crap. Make sure that you carry an extra condenser under your seat for that roadside emergency. NOS modern condensers should be better condensers if they have been properly stored. My first modern condenser lasted me about 35 miles before it crapped out. I have put several thousand miles on since then and it has been reliable. My modern points are still spot on for adjustment.
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05-21-2019, 11:36 PM | #22 |
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I have been running so called modern points for the last 15 years and can't remember the last time I had to change them. No up keep except cam lube.
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Hi RandyinUtah, I'm fairly certain anyone could say the same for conventional points too.
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I have modern in one car and original in the other.
Both have performed very well BUT the modern is so difficult to adjust. I would not use any more modern points because of this. There are now very good quality distributor parts available for using original points. The repo upper plates have to be reworked a bit to get the point block aligned correctly. Good quality modern and original points are available from O Relly's Chris W. Last edited by CWPASADENA; 05-22-2019 at 08:49 AM. Reason: TYPO |
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Just curious, has anyone installed a Pertronix Ignitor ii or Ignitor iii on the modern upper plate? I know FSI uses the Ignitor but I believe it is the Ignitor i.
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My nice Little Green Roadster had mounted the modern plate and points when buying. I wanted to equip to original and ordered the early base plate and the original replica contact points and the capacitor. Remodeled, and as I wanted to set the contact points with the maggot screw, I saw that the angle of the points was not parallel, they only touched on one outer edge. That's bad and that's why I had to put back on the modern base plate angrily. Was 'Made in USA'. I also had that mis-alignment problem, filed the mounting holes for stationary point block so it could be adjusted to line up. ------------------------------------------------------------ Brattons sells a modified point block that corrects this issue. New original style points arm is too long. Brattons are the only vendor to offer this point block. I recently converted back to original design parts, had issues with the nurex wireless plates. The original parts with this point block has been working perfectly. https://www.brattons.com/machined-di...int-block.html |
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Update to the update:
Now I'm not getting any power to the points...moral of the story...if it works, leave well enough alone.
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With a properly modified base plate and Ford 6 points from the 60's, the distributor will fire reliably to 6000 rpm for several years. They will be easy to adjust also.
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You said "With a properly modified base plate . . ." Do you mean a modified "original" plate or a modified "modern" plate? David Serrano |
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Why would the 6 cylinder points be any better that the V-8 points of the same era, which is what they used to the "Modern Upper Plates"?
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One thing to note, the 6 cylinder distributor turns clockwise and the V8 distributor turns counter clockwise, so the respective point sets are opposites.
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