Wood graining (revisited )

[Gerard]

Hi guy's I think I have found a local artist do some Woodgraining. He asked me for a clear picture how it looks like . Could one of you of post me a picture of mahogany grain on a dashrail or Garnish ?? Thanks in advance.

[BRENT in 10-uh-C]

Two suggestions, ....
A) Visualize the metal piece (Dash rail, window frame, gardnish, etc.) as if it were carved out of a block of Mahogany. The grain would run horizontal and how would it look in the corners and curves?

B) Look on the internet for a JPEG that shows a large plank of Mahogany board which will allow your artist to visualize the grain.

Are you going to do the prep & post work on your items or is the artist going to do everything?

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[Gerard]

Hi Brent, The local Artist is doing everything ( he told me ) I think I have a chunk of Mahogany somewere in the attick , good idee !! Thanks . Will let him make a sample first to see how his work is.

Happy Holliday's

[Gerard]

Originally Posted by Don Turley

MAFCA Paint & Finish Guide, page 10.

Don Turley
www.donturley.com

Thank you Don, not sure I have that booklet.

[Terry, NJ]

Gerard and Brent, Go to Brent's excellent site. Click on "Restorations". When the page comes up, you will see some of the work Brent's done. You will see a Maroon 31 TS. Clck on it. There are a couple of pics showing the woodgrained dash. They give you an idea what it should look like. The color is kind of "orangey" for me, but it's no problem to use a darker mahogany. Now, Where do you get a large diameter silicon roller? Or silicon to make the roller?
Terry

[kenparker]

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An artist may have better visualization of your goals if working from a real piece of mahogany wood. Just in case here is a close up of a Dash Rail I did last year. I used a "Grain-It Technology" kit.

[kenparker]

dag nab it. forgot pix again

[Gerard]

Thanks Ken, perfect job !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Grapejuice]

I looked up the URL for "Grain-It Technology". Neat stuff!!
http://woodgraining.com/

[mot]

here are a few shots of an original woodgrained dash
the colors dont show correct,it is actually browner rather than redder
but you can see the graining good
Ken Parkers dash is beautiful
tom

[Tom Wesenberg]

Originally Posted by kenparker

dag nab it. forgot pix again

Beautiful job of woodgraining! I even like it better than the original pictured.

Woodgraining and pinstriping are two things I've never tried, but would like to some day.

[kenparker]

Thanks Guys.

[Terry, NJ]

There seems to be two essential ways to woodgraining. 1) painting the grain over the base coat with a coarse bristle brush 2) Painting the grain on the base coat with a roller. The roller method requires a graining plate that is sort a mirror image of the grain. You inkthe plates with the darker color and roll it onto to roller, then roll it onto the part. I'm thinking of trying to make a "Graining plate" out of a piece wood scrap that has been roughed up with a coarse wire wheel. This is a one shot deal, I'm not going into the woodgraining business.
Terry

[Karl Wolf]

Try sand blasting your wood piece, maybe block sand to fine tune the surface... Karl

[Gerard]

My problems ( with the woodgraining )are solved grin grin

[jkcrosson]

Originally Posted by kenparker

An artist may have better visualization of your goals if working from a real piece of mahogany wood. Just in case here is a close up of a Dash Rail I did last year. I used a "Grain-It Technology" kit.

Which kit from grain it tech did you use? I get a little confused when I start looking at their products.

[Gerard]

jamie, I found a local artist who was willing to help out after some experimenting he found a way to it . I paid him 500,-- for the job and I am very pleased .

[msmaron]

Here are a couple of great shots of Stipple Mahogany

[kenparker]

Jamie, you asked which kit did I use - from Grain It Technology. I bought it when at the Workshop at Brents Shop two years ago. At the time it was the only style kit he/she had with them. All I 'member is it is original style short grain mahogany version. The base coat they had with the kit had too much brown in it, so i went to my local paint supplier (PPG) and had them mix something with a little more red in it. I will have to do some research to find the formula PPG used to make that formula of base coat.

[jkcrosson]

Originally Posted by kenparker

Jamie, you asked which kit did I use - from Grain It Technology. I bought it when at the Workshop at Brents Shop two years ago. At the time it was the only style kit he/she had with them. All I 'member is it is original style short grain mahogany version. The base coat they had with the kit had too much brown in it, so i went to my local paint supplier (PPG) and had them mix something with a little more red in it. I will have to do some research to find the formula PPG used to make that formula of base coat.

I think from the above post, it would be called their stipple mahogany pattern now. Since you had to buy a different base coat, would you recommend buying a kit or just the plates and roller?

[bobbycoke]

gerald, if it looks as nice in person as the picture, your artist is a true artist it is a beautiful walnut finish.

[Brad in Germany]

Here is a link to a video clip showing the woodgraining artist applying the woodgrain to the dash rail of our 1930 Cabriolet (68-B) using the roller method:

http://s244.photobucket.com/albums/g...rioletDash.mp4

Fordially,
Brad in Germany

[kenparker]

Did my homework. The Graining Plate I use is #002 Stipple Mahogany. The color of Base Coat that came with my kit was the more brown of the choices. They offer sevearal choices but the only color thayt had that day at the Workshop was the brown. The color I had mixed at hte local PPG supplier matched the middlw color in the chart. #GBC MH2. I could have ordered the color from GIT but it was faster to have it done locally.

If I were starting from scratch and attempting to woodgrain my parts I would buy one of the kits rather than try to piecemeal the components of a kit. The video was worth it weight in gold - and I was a commercial artist and screenprinter for 35 years.

[jkcrosson]

Thanks Ken

[TinCup]

Ken what size roller did you use? Do you still have the paint code you used as a base? I have found that the PPG75083 that Vince Falter recommends mixes up being just a little darker than Rustoleum Red Oxide Primer. I have painted them side by side and it's amazing how close they are. Even the guys at English color who mixed it for me were surprised. I also had the the color MH2 mixed up using the dupont color code and it's awfully red.

[Richard Wilson]

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I recently did the woodgrain on my Victoria project. I was lucky enough to have a friend let me borrow a Grain-It Stipple Mahogany plate, a corner rocker and 5 inch roller. (Thanks Mike!) The roller method is a good alternative for a "non-artistic" restorer and I would recomend the Grain-It kit for the "do it yourselfer".

I kind of did my woodgraining on the cheap. After testing four different brand Red Oxide Acrylic Lacquer Primer Surfacers, I found that one made by Axis was a perfect match to the MARC/MAFCA Mahogany paint chip when dry. It was $20.63 for a quart. This was followed by rolling on the Grain-It Mahogany ink with a small five inch roller using their fifteen inch grain plate. After letting the ink dry for two days I sprayed six coats of Dupli-Color Paint Shop Gloss Clear Coat Lacquer bought at O'Reilly Auto Parts for $26.68 a quart. So for less than $50 and about 20 hours work (sandblast, weld up extra holes, prime, grain and clear) I was able to woodgrain a complete set of Victoria mouldings and trims. While not 100% show perfect, they do look pretty much like the Ford graining IMO.

As with most things, using the plate/roller method is much more difficult for a first timer than the video's on the Grain-It web site would have you think. Blending the end/start lines from the small roller's grain pattern is the hardest part and took most of the time to accomplish. I am sure that with practice this would become easier. Also, I double rolled my mouldings to get a closer match to my perception of the original Ford grain that was on my mouldings.

[TinCup]

I have been practicing with a borrowed roller from Grain it as well. Apparently someone before me used something to clean the roller that left it sticky. It's ok as long as it has ink on it but cleaning between applications is harder. It's the 2x3 roller.
No it isn't as easy as the videos demonstrate but it's also not something that can't be learned. Stopping and starting are a bit tricky. I also found out yesterday that the temp you work in makes a big difference. It was high 80's here yesterday and the ink wasn't as easy to work with. It's much cooler today so I will be working on a few test pieces.

[Tinbasher]

Thanks for the original pictures guys. I'm going to grain the mouldings for the 30 coupe I'm working on. It nice to have something right to go by.

J.Poole