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Old 02-06-2014, 02:05 AM   #1
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Default 33 pickup front and rear axles ok for phaeton ?

Hi all..

Here's the story...

My car is a 33 Phaeton which has a flat head 4 cylinder in it.

I want to fit the original style V8 into it.

In a previous post I asked about issues with the 35 V8 engine.

I have been offered these parts...

35 coupe V8 engine and trans.
33 pickup front axle and suspension with wishbone, rear axle and torque tube.

My questions are..

Will the 35 engine "appear" correct for the 33 ?

Will the 35 engine and trans, fit up ok to the 33 pickup torque tube and rear axle ? is the 33 pickup rear axle ratio correct for a 33 V8 Phaeton ?

Is the 33 pickup front axle and suspension correct for a 33 Phaeton ?

Do the Right and drive and Left hand drive cars use the same steering box ?
My car is Right hand drive. The parts are coming from a Left hand drive car in the USA.
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Old 02-06-2014, 04:14 AM   #2
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Default Re: 33 pickup front and rear axles ok for phaeton ?

Hi Ceejay,
I can answer your last question easily, having been there. No the steering boxes are opposite hand, The casing is different, the sector shaft is different, the worm is different. You can use the same bearings, bushes and pitman arm. The draglink is different too. Hope this helps
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Old 02-06-2014, 12:18 PM   #3
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Default Re: 33 pickup front and rear axles ok for phaeton ?

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Hi all..

Here's the story...

My car is a 33 Phaeton which has a flat head 4 cylinder in it.

I want to fit the original style V8 into it.

In a previous post I asked about issues with the 35 V8 engine.

I have been offered these parts...

35 coupe V8 engine and trans.
33 pickup front axle and suspension with wishbone, rear axle and torque tube.

My questions are..

Will the 35 engine "appear" correct for the 33 ?

Will the 35 engine and trans, fit up ok to the 33 pickup torque tube and rear axle ? is the 33 pickup rear axle ratio correct for a 33 V8 Phaeton ?

Is the 33 pickup front axle and suspension correct for a 33 Phaeton ?

Do the Right and drive and Left hand drive cars use the same steering box ?
My car is Right hand drive. The parts are coming from a Left hand drive car in the USA.
In response to your questions:

Will the 35 engine "appear" correct for the 33 ? THE ENGINE WILL NOT APPEAR CORRECT TO A CONCOURSE JUDGE EVEN AFTER THE '33 PARTS HAVE BEEN ADDED TO IT. WITH THE '33 PARTS ADDED THE DIFFERENCES WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO SEE WITHOUT LOOKING. IT WILL APPEAR CORRECT TO THE AVERAGE PERSON AT A CAR SHOW IF THE '33 PARTS HAVE BEEN ADDED. BE CAREFUL ABOUT USING HEADS FOR FLAT TOP PISTONS IF THE BLOCK HAS DOMED PISTONS.

Will the 35 engine and trans, fit up ok to the 33 pickup torque tube and rear axle ? is the 33 pickup rear axle ratio correct for a 33 V8 Phaeton ? IF THE PICKUP WAS A V8 THERE SHOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM. IF THE PICKUP WAS A 4 CYLINDER THE DRIVE SHAFT WILL BE THE WRONG LENGTH.

Is the 33 pickup front axle and suspension correct for a 33 Phaeton ? YES BUT THE REAR SPRING WILL HAVE 3 MORE LEAFS MAKING IT A LITTLE STIFF.


Do the Right and drive and Left hand drive cars use the same steering box ?
My car is Right hand drive. The parts are coming from a Left hand drive car in the USA.[/QUOTE] NOT EXPERIENCED ON THIS ONE BUT WOULD GUESS , NO.



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Old 02-06-2014, 02:05 PM   #4
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Front axle or spindles /stubs will not work .nor the box ,
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Waking up an old post here but looking to get re confirmation of one point...
Is the 1933 4 cylinder pickup rear axle the same as the 33 V8 passenger car rear axle and do they both have the same ratio ?
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Old 07-05-2015, 02:45 PM   #6
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No, the four cylinder rear axle torque tube and driveshaft are shorter than those of the V-8 rear axle. They may or may not have the same ratio depending on where the vehicle was produced or sold.
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Old 07-05-2015, 03:04 PM   #7
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As noted in a previous post, no. Torque tube and driveshaft are different length. Swap to the V8 TT & D/S, and should be ok. As for ratio, you will need to check that out. I've owned both pickups and cars, and both of mine had 4.11. I don't know if you would find the same.
Another comment posted above, in addition to what is posted on the steering, I found the pitman arm to also be different, RHD, to LHD. The difference will be obvious when you have both in hand. It's the 'clocking' of the drag link ball.
I've done a RHD/LHD switch, so I can address those questions. But, I don't know all the 4 cyl differences. Examples... I changed the trans mount (frame saddle), parking brake pawl, pedals, steering gear, pitman, drag link, spindles, gas pedal, exhaust system, w/s wiper, and maybe other stuff that I'm not recalling.
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Old 07-05-2015, 08:17 PM   #8
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Thanks guys. I did take note of the previous comments about the torque tube and drive shaft.

I bought the 33 pickup 4 cyl. rear axle complete with torque tube and drive shaft but bought a V8 passenger car torque tube complete as well.

Was just wondering about the ratio.

So the correct ratio for a V8 passenger car is 4.11 ?
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Old 07-05-2015, 09:57 PM   #9
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A 3.78 to 1 ratio was available as well, but the 4.11 ratio is the most commonly encountered.
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