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Old 03-06-2024, 08:49 PM   #1
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I am looking for a set of motor mounts to put a 1950's Cadillac 331 in a 35-40 Ford. I know Hurst made these in the past.
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I've never seen one but I've heard them referred to as "Fordillacs".
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Its a near bolt in if you have the starter housing that moves the starter to the right hand side. Setup requires an adapter plate and pilot bearing, behind the engine and Hurst mounts for the front as well as the starter adapter. This assumes you are using the Ford trans.
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Try emailing Matt at iron trap garage, I think they just put a 331 Caddy in a ‘38
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They have lots of parts for sale on their website, also check out their YouTube.

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Old 03-07-2024, 09:14 AM   #5
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starter does not have to be moved olds does
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Old 03-07-2024, 11:14 AM   #6
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Old 03-07-2024, 12:31 PM   #7
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starter does not have to be moved olds does

Ditto on the starter relocation... Cad engines in Fords was a very common application during the mid '50's..
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Matt said parts are listed on Instagram (which does not work for me) ?
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They are also listed on their parts webpage.

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Thanks Fritz that works
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Amazing
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Old 03-08-2024, 12:23 PM   #12
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I called Belmonts Rod and Custom. Very nice people, unfortunately they do not have the motor mounts for the 331. They do have them for the 1964 Cadillac engine 390, I think?

I am going to make them with the help from a good friend. Anyone else want some? Let me know. Thanks to all for the response!
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Several years ago if my memory is right I saw one of these conversions in AZ. I think it may have been owned by Jackie Howerton? Nice green 40 with patina.
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When I was first on the H.A.M.B., I saw a link to "Belmont's" site. At that time, they had the entire Offenhauser catalog on it. Turned out that it was just for reference only, but it drove me crazy for a while, because just about any Internet search for old speed equipment ended up there. They had none of the old stuff.

I haven't been led that far astray since a certain stripper back in '92.
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Old 03-08-2024, 02:01 PM   #15
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Offenhauser used to a good source but since the family sold the business the new owners are not the best at running the business. Availability of parts has diminished and prices have increased significantly.
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Nice install! A Ford in a Ford very nice!
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Old 03-08-2024, 10:35 PM   #18
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A pair of scissors, some cardboard, a hack saw, a drill motor, some 1/4 inch plate and you can have some mounts far superior to what you can buy.

I did one in "55" with a modified 37 LaSalle transmission. That thing could be shifted so fast it sounded like a Lenco.
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I put a 331 in my 40 in 2019, I got the hurst style mounts new from Mitchell Motor Works. Not sure if Mitch is still in business but his number was 415-806-4345 and his email was [email protected]
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I put a 331 in my 40 in 2019, I got the hurst style mounts new from Mitchell Motor Works. Not sure if Mitch is still in business but his number was 415-806-4345 and his email was [email protected]
Thank you for the tip! Mitch was super guy. He still has some of the ones he made. $139 plus shipping, mine are on the way shortly.
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Try emailing Matt at iron trap garage, I think they just put a 331 Caddy in a ‘38
[email protected]

They have lots of parts for sale on their website, also check out their YouTube.

Caddy into ‘38 conv.
https://youtu.be/6KOJ0Bwpcnw?si=t0dEWhETCGcole3s
Thanks for the tip. He did not have the motor mounts. But he listed an original Cadillac 331 bellhousing. Since I am installing a Laselle transmission, this was a rare and great find.
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I put a 331 in my 40 in 2019, I got the hurst style mounts new from Mitchell Motor Works. Not sure if Mitch is still in business but his number was 415-806-4345 and his email was [email protected]
When you have some time, I would like to hear about your Cadillac install.

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Hey Mike, add a picture of your blue Coe for an avatar. Then create some albums in your User CP "photos and albums" and upload pictures of some of your big iron. I am sure guys here would love to see your 39 too.
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Old 03-20-2024, 04:55 PM   #24
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Thanks to all that replied!
I am looking for the front bearing retainer for a Cadillac Laselle transmission. Also hub
that holds throw out bearing and clutch arm. Any leads appreciated.
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My former 39 Ford Coupe had a 331 Cadillac backed by a 1937 LaSalle floor shift 3 speed transmission. Here is a picture of the motor mounts in place. Sorry - do not recall what manufacture they were.
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My former 39 Ford Coupe had a 331 Cadillac backed by a 1937 LaSalle floor shift 3 speed transmission. Here is a picture of the motor mounts in place. Sorry - do not recall what manufacture they were.
That looks like it was a real beauty!
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That looks like it was a real beauty!

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A friend of mine did this '39 coupe and I will say, he did a good job. No shortcuts...

Classified Ads - 1979 and Older Cars For Sale - 1939 Ford Deluxe Coupe - Classic Cars & Trucks For Sale - Northwest Classic Auto Mall (nwcam.com)
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I do not enter very often. I bought a pair for a Cad install in my 26 Ford coupe. If I remember correctly I looked under Hot Rod or Ra$ Rod Cadillac engine mounts. Very seldom
do you find a Hurst set. Good luck
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A few pictures of my former Cadillac/LaSalle 1939 Coupe -



Powered by a 1951 Cadillac 331 ci bored to 365cu backed by a 1937 LaSalle 3 speed top loader floor shift.

1951 Cadillac Engine
365 cu in (bored from 331ci)
4" JE forged pistons
Stock Crank and rods
Eldorado dual quad intake - WCFB Carter carburetors
Eldorado big port heads
Eldorado exhaust manifolds
Eldorado "Batwing" Chrome intake air cleaner
Chrome Cadillac valve covers
Nielson Vintage Racing Cam - 432 lift/282 duration
2" dual exhausts
275hp/344 ft lbs at the rear wheels - dyno reports included
11" Weber Clutch
Front Suspension - 4" dropped front axle (NOS Cragar)
Rear Suspension -- 2 " drop - Chassis Engineering rear suspension
Chassis
Chassis Engineering parallel rear springs
9" Ford 3:50 rear plus traction bars
Custom open driveshaft with front yoke slip joint
5.5 bolt pattern wheels all around
.5.5" front - 1950 Mercury
6" Rear - 1950 Lincoln
41 Lincoln Front Brakes
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A few pictures of my former Cadillac/LaSalle 1939 Coupe -



Powered by a 1951 Cadillac 331 ci bored to 365cu backed by a 1937 LaSalle 3 speed top loader floor shift.

1951 Cadillac Engine
365 cu in (bored from 331ci)
4" JE forged pistons
Stock Crank and rods
Eldorado dual quad intake - WCFB Carter carburetors
Eldorado big port heads
Eldorado exhaust manifolds
Eldorado "Batwing" Chrome intake air cleaner
Chrome Cadillac valve covers
Nielson Vintage Racing Cam - 432 lift/282 duration
2" dual exhausts
275hp/344 ft lbs at the rear wheels - dyno reports included
11" Weber Clutch
Front Suspension - 4" dropped front axle (NOS Cragar)
Rear Suspension -- 2 " drop - Chassis Engineering rear suspension
Chassis
Chassis Engineering parallel rear springs
9" Ford 3:50 rear plus traction bars
Custom open driveshaft with front yoke slip joint
5.5 bolt pattern wheels all around
.5.5" front - 1950 Mercury
6" Rear - 1950 Lincoln
41 Lincoln Front Brakes






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Just sent my early 51 and 52 Cadillac distributors to Charles Schwindler in New York. He is going to modify/update them with later fly weights and vacuum advance to use manifold vacuum. I will try to post some photos when I get them back.
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