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Old 01-31-2018, 06:12 PM   #1
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Yeah, this is a little off topic, but some of you may have noticed my recent avatar change from the familiar Cessna T-50 to the four-engine aircraft up there now. My intention was to see how long before anyone noticed, but mostly to see if ANYONE might recognize this extremely rare aircraft. KGS hit me up within a couple of days with a very well-educated guess, but incorrect nevertheless. Any of you's guys or gals want to take a stab at it? One clue......the avatar pic was taken in 1956. Good luck folks! DD

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Old 01-31-2018, 06:17 PM   #2
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Looks like a DH 114
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cessna 620!
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cessna 620!
Yes!^^^ The Cessna 310 X 2 = 620.
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That's an obscure one of a kind type. Cessna 620 from the mid 50s. It came along about the time the multi jets were coming into service so its production outlook was bleak with all the used recip engine aircraft coming on the market. Twins are expensive enough to operate. That thing would have been twice as expensive.

I knew you were a Cessna guy V8coopman.
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Old 01-31-2018, 07:13 PM   #6
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Looks like a DH 114
Stenny...The DH 114 (Dehavilland Heron) was what KGS guessed it to be. DD
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Old 01-31-2018, 07:24 PM   #7
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And the rest of you's guys are pretty damn knowledgeable about some of this OLD, flying' junk. I never would have guessed that more than a couple of folks would have a clue, especially considering that there was only one, and never really advertised, especially sixty years ago. You guys are good! DD
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Old 01-31-2018, 07:37 PM   #8
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fail to see how this belongs on the Fordbarn
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Old 01-31-2018, 07:51 PM   #9
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Come on aussiesteve. HISTORY is history...
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Old 01-31-2018, 07:59 PM   #10
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fail to see how this belongs on the Fordbarn
Well, to keep this thread "legal" I will ask how much tire pressure in a ford tire.
Now the thread is legal so I can comment.
Many of us love any thing driven by an engine. I learned to fly on a Cessna 140 tail dragger and "graduated" to a Piper 150 and then, wow, a 180. Then I got married and that was the end of my piloting. My son in law was a captain on 757's and Airbuses so I did a lot of family pass flying. Love it.
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Old 01-31-2018, 09:34 PM   #11
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I had a ride on a Navy 2PV in the mid 60's

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Old 01-31-2018, 10:10 PM   #12
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I thought the tail section looked Cessna ish......but...now to keep this Fordish: i once took the yoke,A round wooden wheel, in a FORD Tri Motor. I was 13 years old flying over Lake Erie. Herald Hauck was the pilot and had more hours in a Ford Tri Motor than any other pilot. Ah, the good old days! mike
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Yes!^^^ The Cessna 310 X 2 = 620.
Here's a picture of my 310F serial Number 310F-0001 which was the
prototype of the swept tail model. I few it 350 hours a year and put
close to 6,000 hours on it. After I retired the hours per year got lower
and lower but the expenses were still high for the time I used it so I
sold it. It was a well equipted nice flying airplane. G.M.
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Oh I don’t know, I think the sound of a radial engine, and an old Harley, are right up there with the sound of an old flathead!

All unique in their own way.
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And the rest of you's guys are pretty damn knowledgeable about some of this OLD, flying' junk. I never would have guessed that more than a couple of folks would have a clue, especially considering that there was only one, and never really advertised, especially sixty years ago. You guys are good! DD
"good"? Naaa, 60 year old memories are a piece of cake! Now, yesterday's breakfast? That's another story!
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Whilst off topic and on the subject of aeroplanes, can anyone on the barn tell me how to "read" this clock?

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Outer numbers A.M., inner numbers P.M. based on 24 hr military time.....it reads in photo 3:10 am (nite) or 15:10 (day). Based on my personal experience the military designs all items to be foolproof, but for a 24 hr clock the soldier or airman MUST be able to tell if the sun is up!!! Gary
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Good try Gary...and the significance of the coloured triangles???? The clock was made in 1939
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Used by RAF fighter command to coordinate intercepts of incoming German ac.
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When the big hands in th red, watch out overhead!
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Here's a picture of my 310F serial Number 310F-0001 which was the
prototype of the swept tail model. I few it 350 hours a year and put
close to 6,000 hours on it. After I retired the hours per year got lower
and lower but the expenses were still high for the time I used it so I
sold it. It was a well equipted nice flying airplane. G.M.
I love 310's. My father-in-law owned a a 310 Riley Rocket conversion at one time.
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Old 02-01-2018, 10:56 AM   #22
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I couldn't afford the Radial engine at the time, so I went VW powered with Belt Drive Reduction for the WWI Fokker Dr1 that I built. I have a Harley and a '36 Ford pickup with running Flathead and nothing sounds better than that (still wished I could have afforded the Radial engine though).

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A radial to fit that DR1 kit would be pretty small. Warner engines were small but I don't know how well it would fit. I've seen that some later models have been developed but I don't know much about them.

A person can just mention the Pietenpol Air Camper or Sky Scout to get the discussion back on a Ford topic except it would be more toward Model Ts or Model As. The Funk brothers built an airplane but they are just as well known for their H6 and V8 conversions of the little Ford N type tractors.
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Hoop.....for a man in a plaster cast, that's pretty good and almost correct !
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Stenny...The DH 114 (Dehavilland Heron) was what KGS guessed it to be. DD
Heron looks similar but has a rounder tail.

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When the big hands in th red, watch out overhead!
bit like the old Michael Jackson joke "when the big hand touches the little hand..it's time to go to bed"

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" ...almost correct."

Tiger,

Being very modest, I did not want to show off. There's more information that could be extrapolated from knowing the time, direction, airspeed, etc. of an incoming attack. Not only intercepts but air raid warnings, anti-aircraft defences (note the spelling), dispersal of aircraft on the ground, etc., ... time to target considerations as well as the likely targets.

German fighters had very limited loiter over England and were very vulnerable as they exited as were the German bombers that were left behind them. Tagging and tracking their time in country, by color-coding the time of detection into 5 minute segments, certainly would be an advantage itself.

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"good"? Naaa, 60 year old memories are a piece of cake! Now, yesterday's breakfast? That's another story!
Don't make me tell you the joke about the two salesmen meeting the old Indian who had the best memory in the world.
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I hate to start a dispute with GM, but the first c-310 with a swept fail was the D model.
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Hoop,

Noticed the spelling and in your defense (notice the spelling);.....
you're nearly there

Here's a clue....
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I hate to start a dispute with GM, but the first c-310 with a swept fail was the D model.
That's a true statement! The "D" showed-up in 1960. DD
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I have a Chipmunk with a Gypsie engine sitting in my hangar next to the 31 Widebed and 39 pickup. I believe the Heron, Dove and the two Rapide biplanes at DuxFORD also had the Gypsie Queen engines. ( cylinders on the single engine planes were pointed down so the Exalted Ruler could see over the nose).
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Here's one that makes the right kind of noise.
Modified Starduster Too with 755 Jake.
I built it and still have it.
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My son in law was a captain on 757's and Airbuses so I did a lot of family pass flying.
Dad was a pilot for NWA, so we kids got to go many places on passes. The downside was that as a "non-rev," you had to be prepared to get bumped by a paying passenger. During his career, he flew the Boeing 247, 377, 727; Douglas DC-3, DC-4, DC-6. DC-7; Martin 202; and Lockheed 1049-G, L-188. To keep this Ford related, we had a 1940 Tudor Deluxe, and he told of once flying a plane with a Ford flathead engine that he remembered as being so seriously under-powered that he landed it as soon as possible.
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