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scooder · 02-15-2015, 07:31 AM

Guys I have a question for you.
Got me some front spring shackles and bushings for the front spring and perch. Seems a little odd to me, the new bushings are quite w loose fit on the shackle pins, is this normal?
I expected them to be a ream to fit type of bush, like a king pin (spindle pin) bush is.
Am I missing something here? I'm used to the later Ford V8 rubber/steel type shackle pins.
Many thanks,
Martin.

wrndln · 02-15-2015, 08:31 AM

Are you saying the shackle is loose in the bushing or the bushing is loose in the perch bolt? If the shackle is loose in the bushing, is the shackle new or possibly a worn used one. The shackle should be an easy slip fit in the bushing, not tight. If the shackle is a little loose, you are probably OK in it being that way. If the bushing is loose in the perch bolt, the old bushing must have turned and wore in the perch bolt hole. Depending how loose the bushing is, it could be a problem. If the bushing is just slightly loose, you can probably leave it a little loose, but if it is quite loose, I would replace the perch bolt. Just my opinion.
Rusty Nelson

Terry, NJ · 02-15-2015, 09:06 AM

Originally the bushings had to be reamed with a 14.5 MM drill (roughly .580) Bratton's 2014 cat. pp35.The newer bushings are merely rolled light iron cylinders. I have not had to ream any bushings and they all seemed to fit well with maybe .001-.002 clearance when they are pressed in place.
Terry

scooder · 02-15-2015, 10:23 AM

It's the pin loose in the bushing, both parts are new.
I will measure the parts and report back.
Thank you,
Martin.

wrndln · 02-15-2015, 10:54 AM

Martin,
How loose is the shackle in the bushing?
Rusty nelson

scooder · 02-15-2015, 10:54 AM

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Just measured, the pin od is 0.566" the Bush id is 0.604-0.606" that's quite a gap. What are the correct sizes please?
Many thanks
Martin.

Mitch//pa · 02-15-2015, 11:22 AM

hmmm i think it should be 0.570 id on the bushings going by the 14.5 mm reamer sold... where did you get the parts at and did you buy the USA made ones?

Brian T · 02-15-2015, 11:24 AM

If you just purchased them from a model A parts vendor you should call them, this was a problem not to long ago, the bushings I purchased from Snyders fitted OK.
To add to what Mitch said, if your not sure where they were made throw them away.

Link to Vince Falters Ford garage.--- http://www.fordgarage.com/pages/brokenshackles.htm

scooder · 02-15-2015, 12:23 PM

I'll have to find out where they came from, I didn't buy them. I'll then let the vendor know what's going on.
Many thanks all,
Martin.

Keith True · 02-15-2015, 01:16 PM

Are you trying the fit on the bench,(not installed)or,after they are squeezed into place.The ones I have been using have a split in them,and they close up quite a lot after they are squashed into place.

Tom Wesenberg · 02-15-2015, 04:06 PM

The ones I bought from Bratton's about 20 years ago were the same way. The bushings fit the hole tight, but the shackles were loose in the bushings. I then ordered Bratton's seperate bushings and installed them and the fit was perfect. So, the next two or three sets I odered from Bratton's about 20 years ago, I ordered the seperate bushings at the same time, and set aside the kit bushings. This gave me a perfect fit with no drilling or reaming. I haven't done any in many years, so I don't know what fits what these days.

scooder · 02-15-2015, 05:06 PM

Yep, it's bench fitting but these bushings are not split, solid tube if you will.
I have measured the od of the bushings and the id of the perch. They are a light press fit, it certainly wouldn't close the id of the bush to be a good fit.
Martin.

rob_drury · 10-23-2015, 12:15 PM

Hi Guys,

I just bought the new "American made" shackles from Snyders (A-5465-RE) and the bushes were over 0.025" larger than the shackle pins.

I found some solid bronze replacements from American Sleeve Bearing that are a nice slip fit onto the new shackle pin.

http://asbbearingsonline.com part# CB 911-13

http://asbbearingsonline.com/index.p...bd952c5d01f423

Rob

Tom Endy · 10-23-2015, 01:01 PM

I have noticed that there are two sizes of front spring perch in the Model A Kingdom. Each take a different size shackle bushing. I have definitely encountered both, but have never been able to learn why there are two sizes. The bushings that come with a new front shackle set are too thin for the larger application.

To solve my problem I ordered a number of rear shackle bushings from Bratton's. They are the correct outside diameter for the larger perch, but are longer. I had a friend cut them down on a lathe to the proper length.

The inside diameter of both size bushings are the same size.

Tom Endy

Floats · 10-23-2015, 11:54 PM

Hi Martin,
I had the same problem. Look at my thread of 06-03-2015 " Loose spring shackle bushes'
I sent them back.

02-15-2015, 07:31 AM	#1
scooder Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,593	Spring shackle bushings Guys I have a question for you. Got me some front spring shackles and bushings for the front spring and perch. Seems a little odd to me, the new bushings are quite w loose fit on the shackle pins, is this normal? I expected them to be a ream to fit type of bush, like a king pin (spindle pin) bush is. Am I missing something here? I'm used to the later Ford V8 rubber/steel type shackle pins. Many thanks, Martin.

02-15-2015, 08:31 AM	#2
wrndln Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Lakeville, MN Posts: 5,162	Re: Spring shackle bushings Are you saying the shackle is loose in the bushing or the bushing is loose in the perch bolt? If the shackle is loose in the bushing, is the shackle new or possibly a worn used one. The shackle should be an easy slip fit in the bushing, not tight. If the shackle is a little loose, you are probably OK in it being that way. If the bushing is loose in the perch bolt, the old bushing must have turned and wore in the perch bolt hole. Depending how loose the bushing is, it could be a problem. If the bushing is just slightly loose, you can probably leave it a little loose, but if it is quite loose, I would replace the perch bolt. Just my opinion. Rusty Nelson

02-15-2015, 09:06 AM	#3
Terry, NJ Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Bucks Co, Pa Posts: 3,740	Re: Spring shackle bushings Originally the bushings had to be reamed with a 14.5 MM drill (roughly .580) Bratton's 2014 cat. pp35.The newer bushings are merely rolled light iron cylinders. I have not had to ream any bushings and they all seemed to fit well with maybe .001-.002 clearance when they are pressed in place. Terry

02-15-2015, 10:23 AM	#4
scooder Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,593	Re: Spring shackle bushings It's the pin loose in the bushing, both parts are new. I will measure the parts and report back. Thank you, Martin.

02-15-2015, 10:54 AM	#5
wrndln Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Lakeville, MN Posts: 5,162	Re: Spring shackle bushings Martin, How loose is the shackle in the bushing? Rusty nelson

02-15-2015, 10:54 AM	#6
scooder Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,593	Re: Spring shackle bushings Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Just measured, the pin od is 0.566" the Bush id is 0.604-0.606" that's quite a gap. What are the correct sizes please? Many thanks Martin.

02-15-2015, 11:22 AM	#7
Mitch//pa BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Bucks County, PA Posts: 11,454	Re: Spring shackle bushings hmmm i think it should be 0.570 id on the bushings going by the 14.5 mm reamer sold... where did you get the parts at and did you buy the USA made ones?

02-15-2015, 11:24 AM	#8
Brian T Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: San Diego,Ca Posts: 1,377	Re: Spring shackle bushings If you just purchased them from a model A parts vendor you should call them, this was a problem not to long ago, the bushings I purchased from Snyders fitted OK. To add to what Mitch said, if your not sure where they were made throw them away. Link to Vince Falters Ford garage.--- http://www.fordgarage.com/pages/brokenshackles.htm __________________ Nothing can be made foolproof, ---- fools are ingenious bastards. Last edited by Brian T; 02-15-2015 at 11:45 AM. Reason: Added text

02-15-2015, 12:23 PM	#9
scooder Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,593	Re: Spring shackle bushings I'll have to find out where they came from, I didn't buy them. I'll then let the vendor know what's going on. Many thanks all, Martin.

02-15-2015, 01:16 PM	#10
Keith True Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Epping N.H. Posts: 2,987	Re: Spring shackle bushings Are you trying the fit on the bench,(not installed)or,after they are squeezed into place.The ones I have been using have a split in them,and they close up quite a lot after they are squashed into place.

02-15-2015, 04:06 PM	#11
Tom Wesenberg Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mpls, MN Posts: 27,582	Re: Spring shackle bushings The ones I bought from Bratton's about 20 years ago were the same way. The bushings fit the hole tight, but the shackles were loose in the bushings. I then ordered Bratton's seperate bushings and installed them and the fit was perfect. So, the next two or three sets I odered from Bratton's about 20 years ago, I ordered the seperate bushings at the same time, and set aside the kit bushings. This gave me a perfect fit with no drilling or reaming. I haven't done any in many years, so I don't know what fits what these days.

02-15-2015, 05:06 PM	#12
scooder Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,593	Re: Spring shackle bushings Yep, it's bench fitting but these bushings are not split, solid tube if you will. I have measured the od of the bushings and the id of the perch. They are a light press fit, it certainly wouldn't close the id of the bush to be a good fit. Martin.

10-23-2015, 12:15 PM	#13
rob_drury Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 1	Re: Spring shackle bushings Hi Guys, I just bought the new "American made" shackles from Snyders (A-5465-RE) and the bushes were over 0.025" larger than the shackle pins. I found some solid bronze replacements from American Sleeve Bearing that are a nice slip fit onto the new shackle pin. http://asbbearingsonline.com part# CB 911-13 http://asbbearingsonline.com/index.p...bd952c5d01f423 Rob

10-23-2015, 01:01 PM	#14
Tom Endy Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Southern California Posts: 3,131	Re: Spring shackle bushings I have noticed that there are two sizes of front spring perch in the Model A Kingdom. Each take a different size shackle bushing. I have definitely encountered both, but have never been able to learn why there are two sizes. The bushings that come with a new front shackle set are too thin for the larger application. To solve my problem I ordered a number of rear shackle bushings from Bratton's. They are the correct outside diameter for the larger perch, but are longer. I had a friend cut them down on a lathe to the proper length. The inside diameter of both size bushings are the same size. Tom Endy

10-23-2015, 11:54 PM	#15
Floats Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Mossel Bay, about 300km from Cape Town Posts: 530	Re: Spring shackle bushings Hi Martin, I had the same problem. Look at my thread of 06-03-2015 " Loose spring shackle bushes' I sent them back. __________________ Regards Chris Cape Town 28 Model A RPU, 29 Chevy Phaeton, 67 E Type FHC, 67 250SL Pagoda, 83 911 SC