G28

['29wagon]

today i over heard mention of the G28 motor.
i'm wondering if anyone has something to say about it.
in regards to comparative specs and functioning abilities.
thanks.


here is one search result.
http://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oGd....com/G28T.html

[Charlie Stephens]

Check out this site http://www.fordgarage.com/. The G28 engine shows up several places.

Charlie Stephens

[quickchange]

What would you like to know?? I have 3 & have been keeping engine numbers & owners for a number of years, There was a number that came to NZ on small grain harvesters, Bull moose fork lifts, etc as staionary engines. no baffels in the pan, alloy pan. solex down draft carb, bosh distrubutor, Same specs as a B well nearly. inserted, full pressure. As a G28T That was on CLAAS combines then could this be the elusive " C " engine, we reffer to them as the Claas engine, Starts with a C.
Derek from a warm spring day. in NZ

['29wagon]

thank you both for that info. i guess i'd like to know if anyone has one running in a car.
and i'll bet it'd be rare to see one in the U.S.

[quickchange]

Yes there are quite a number in NZ running in A,s, You would have to look 3 times to see they are not B engines unless you know exactly where to look, Welch plug front & rear is the quick give away apart from starter & genny . but A ones fit.

[Jim Brierley]

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Are the bolts all metric?

[quickchange]

Jim. No all imperial & inter change with with B engines, Really they are a German version of a B engine with internal oil pipe to feed mains , Even have Ford in German on the block. They were produced by Ford in Germany i beleive.

[Rainmaker Ron]

Originally Posted by '29wagon

today i over heard mention of the G28 motor.
i'm wondering if anyone has something to say about it.
in regards to comparative specs and functioning abilities.
thanks.


here is one search result.
http://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oGd....com/G28T.html

I have a G28 engine in the X-31 car. Bill Stipe reworked this engine for me and it made 93 HP on the dyno. It now has 20,000 miles. Great strong touring engine. Runs nice touring with stock A's or will peg the speedo if you are late for happy hour. After 5 years of fun I am pulling the G28 and going back with my warmed over stocker. It is that time in life to go back to a matching numbers car.
Rainmaker Ron

[quickchange]

Ron , Any chance of the engine number , Like to compare with known ones here. Thanks,

[eswanson]

I just talked to Ron about his, they do sound like great engines but not normal for the US. Keep learning, it always helps.

Eric

[BRENT in 10-uh-C]

Originally Posted by quickchange

Ron , Any chance of the engine number , Like to compare with known ones here. Thanks,

Derek, we also have one too. Ours and Ron's all came out of the same batch that was imported by Ken Miller about a decade or so ago. I will see if the serial number is legible.

Ours was supposedly a low/no mileage engine (that had been warehoused by the Forestry??) and while it had standard bore, it also had valve seats in the block. One of those seats was improperly installed (too loose) and it came out of the block when Dad was driving his Coupe back from the Great Race in 1999. We heard the noise and pulled over on the side of the Interstate. Fortunately I was following him and had a complete shop inside my hauler so we dismantled it there on the exit ramp, removed the broken valve seat pieces, ground the end of the valve so it would not open, cleaned everything up and then re-installed the head after removing the spark plug from the #3 cylinder. Dad drove it home from Illinois on the 3 good cylinders. Once it was home, the engine came back out, O/S intake valves along with modern pistons were installed as the original pistons in the block were split skirts. Dad then drove the car with that rebuilt G28T engine for about 1000 miles and then a different engine went into the Coupe. Soon thereafter I installed that G28T engine in a Model A race car (red one below) which I used for several years racing. It received plenty of punishment and high RPMs as I was pulling a 4.33 and 4.56 rear gear ratio on a ½-mile dirt track. Now it is out of that car and just setting. The left-over pieces such as the original downdraft intake manifold, the B-style cylinder head, etc. were recycled and initially used on Pennie's MobilGas speedster. I think the production date on that head is either 1957 or 1959.

My personal opinion is that these engines are a nice novelty with the lack of external main bearing bolts and the aluminum oil pan with the enclosed rear main, --and during the day (a decade or so ago) they were a large improvement over what was available but if Dad & I had it to do all over again today, we personally would probably not go that way again simply because of the good stuff that is available today such as a Stipe Cam, Burlington Crankshaft, Rich's new Rods and Inserts, and decent rear main seals that work. Just my 2 cents...

.

[quickchange]

Brent , Thankyou for the insight into the one you ran, Have you any info on replacement inserts ??? I have one we pull 5800 with , flathead, another bored 4" plus 40 over with Mc Dowell ohv repo head , about to get some use?? Happy to publish all the engine numbers i have if anyone wishes. Would like to run my flattei at Bonniville if only i could lease, rent, hire or buy a stock body A to run it in ,
Anyone have such a vehicle we can talk ??? Derek from spring day awaiting the USA rugby teams arrival here in sunny Nelson For the world cup. against the Italy.

[Juggler]

Hey Derek

You tell be which body style you want and I will make it my mission in life to make one available. We can keep it at Sammy's....

When do the mighty AB's face the French? Looking forward to that with interest

Cheers

Andrew

[quickchange]

Andrew, You still got those ferrits over there? Tonite frog legs on the menue ?? 10hours away. already got the big screen warming up, crate of coruba chilling,
re Bonniville , 28 cpe should go faster, less wind drag, spring is here. Derek

[Juggler]

Ha! Proper English fry up and coupla pots of tea.

England v Romania and the AB France match both kick off at 7.00am.

Will look out a Coupe, but not a Roadster or an RPU? Worried about your hair?

Will be quite happy with an NZ win - keeps you right side of the draw. But you can't trust the French not to pig it up.

Bon chance mon ami!

Andrew

[quickchange]

Andrew, Great night, Great result. Seen those AZ boys, (ferrits) Derek

[Juggler]

Happy with them results. Opening salvos yet.

Most of AZ boys still here in UK. Will post pictures later. Been a long day.

Cheers

Andrew

[Juggler]

Have spent day with AZ boys (and girls) at John Mould's collection in Reading. Will set up a new thread on that.

Back to the point, 30 years of scrabbling around in the farmyards and hedgerows of East Anglia has only produced these two manifolds which might be G28. What do you think Derek (or others)?













What is the record for (piston engined) paraffin/kerosene power at Bonneville by the way?

Regards

Andrew

[JoeWay]

Originally Posted by BRENT in 10-uh-C

...and decent rear main seals that work. Just my 2 cents...

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Brent, what rear main seals are you using? Most of the retrofit rear main seals seem to have a hard time getting any respect around here...

Joe

[BRENT in 10-uh-C]

Joe, the one that Ed Barnett manufactures.

[quickchange]

Andrew . Not the same manifolds we had here, G28T same as A , intake is cast down draft, RHD had one forsale here recently, If sammy never got mine then i could post picture, well maybe, They are sort after here as guys use the carb of a smelly motor on them , ( holden) (hold on dear engine knacked) expect an AZ report soon. seems the tour group had a great time,

[ctlikon0712]

The first intake combo looks like this Godward Gas Generator that reportedly produced 36 MPG fuel economy. I don't know what that is in LPK... Obviously the intakes aren’t the same material but there are similarities. I hope this helps.

[quickchange]

Craig I have one of Godwards gas generator, Have googled him & found out he was a kiwi.Very interesting history, Have not tried it to prove the mpg , he certainly produced many of them not only for A,s This was one of many inventions ,

[ctlikon0712]

Interesting, quickchange. Good to know.
Thanks

[Ken M]

I have 2 G28T motors - one in a 1931 Victoria I drive regularly on tours and another in a Speedster I use for hill climbing. I have not had any problems with either motor. I have logged a number of long distance tours in the Victoria and drive the Speedster hard in hill climbs (5000+ rpms).
I recently pulled the motor in the Speedsater and went thru the motor and inspeected all the bearings. The bearings looked brand new even though the motor had been driven very hard. I pulled the motor because the flywheel bolts had loosened ( yes they were wired) and were about to shear. I added 2 additional bolts for good measure.
Ken Miller

[BRENT in 10-uh-C]

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Originally Posted by Ken M

I have 2 G28T motors - one in a 1931 Victoria I drive regularly on tours and another in a Speedster I use for hill climbing. I have not had any problems with either motor. I have logged a number of long distance tours in the Victoria and drive the Speedster hard in hill climbs (5000+ rpms).
I recently pulled the motor in the Speedsater and went thru the motor and inspeected all the bearings. The bearings looked brand new even though the motor had been driven very hard. I pulled the motor because the flywheel bolts had loosened ( yes they were wired) and were about to shear. I added 2 additional bolts for good measure.
Ken Miller

Hey Ken, good to see you back on Fordbarn!!

[juke joint johnny]

I haven't found one of these engines yet but I am always looking.

Is there anyone who sell's the Shell bearings for the G28T engine ?

Do the Shells sold to convert the earlier B with Babbit bearings work on them?

Would the steel B oil pan fit one?

John Cochran

[BRENT in 10-uh-C]

Originally Posted by juke joint johnny

I haven't found one of these engines yet but I am always looking.

Is there anyone who sell's the Shell bearings for the G28T engine ?

Do the Shells sold to convert the earlier B with Babbit bearings work on them?

Would the steel B oil pan fit one?

John Cochran

Ron Cloat has one of these engines for sale.

No one sells replacement bearing shells for the G28T that I know of. A fixture would likely need to be made to hold the shells where babbitt could be poured and then machined.

The shells that Rich Falucia sells with not work. I think someone could line-bore the block and possibly use a small block Chevrolet rod bearing in tandem in the main saddle bores. The rod pins could be offset machined to either accept a new A or B rod which if a different piston was used could make a stroker motor.

[quickchange]

John , No on all questions, the inserts ( Shells) for english speaking countrys can be remetaled im told ,
Ken could you send me your engine numbers if orig ones for my records, Derek from a wet NZ but mild ,

[juke joint johnny]

Thanks Brent & Quickchange!!!!

Looks like if I better find a good one .

John Cochran

[Ken M]

Unfortunately the bore in the G28T block is larger (the bearing shell is thicker) than any of the bearings currenty available. I have been told by a prominent engine builder ( don't want to say his name) that you have to "piggy back" inserts to fit the block. I think you should be able to bore and pin a liner in the block and then bore the liner to suit some of the available bearings - 283 Chevy rods, etc.
Maybe Quick Change has a better idea.

[Bruce Lancaster]

Piggy backing is not necessarily a problem; Dragracers run smaller journal cranks in 327 and 400 type chevys that way for various destroker combinations or for theoretical friction reduction...'
They put in the bearings correct for the block than line bore and notch to accept the smaller size shells. This is in really high RPM high output engines...