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Old 04-26-2021, 03:39 PM   #1
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Wow, that collection is incredible.
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some nice parts there.
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Makes one think of all the folks who have tons of "stuff" stashed away.
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Here is a photo of some of Genes parts dept. It actually came out of an old Ford dealership. When I visited every one of those drawers were packed with parts. Must have been a lot of work to go through everything to catalog it.
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23% buyers premium, Wow!!! Now I see how Dana Mecum has a $ 20+ million dollar Ferrari!!
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Here is a photo of some of Genes parts dept. It actually came out of an old Ford dealership. When I visited every one of those drawers were packed with parts. Must have been a lot of work to go through everything to catalog it.
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Note the period-correct tin ceiling panels to complement the cabinet work and drawers.
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Note the period-correct tin ceiling panels to complement the cabinet work and drawers.
His shop is/was outstanding. I could spend hours in there

Has the auction for his cars happened yet?
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Vehicles go on May22.
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When you bid on a lot, are you bidding on what is pictured, or what is in the description? Most of the pictures suck and the descriptions seem to be written by someone who has no idea what they are describing and spelling makes you wonder

Example, Lot 1164, "Ford Grill" They give dimensions? Am I supposed to check if it is an inch short? 1/2 long? 2 in too wide? Would be good if it was stated, used, restored, NOS, Vintique, that would be helpful.

Example, Lot 1336, "Ford Parts" What is a Gatke Gear? Lot of 20, I counted 7 times came up with 19 every time. I think the Gatke Gear is awol

Example, Lot 1334, "Ford air cleaner and parts" Lot of 13, I count 15 items. Do they hold back two items???

Example, Lot 1354. "1932 Ford engine fan NOS" dimensions again, OK, seven pictures, four are of a fuel pump??? If your the successful bidder do you get the fan and the pump because it's pictured?

Otherwise Im gobsmacked!!!!!!!!
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When you bid on a lot, are you bidding on what is pictured, or what is in the description? Most of the pictures suck and the descriptions seem to be written by someone who has no idea what they are describing and spelling makes you wonder

Example, Lot 1164, "Ford Grill" They give dimensions? Am I supposed to check if it is an inch short? 1/2 long? 2 in too wide? Would be good if it was stated, used, restored, NOS, Vintique, that would be helpful.

Example, Lot 1336, "Ford Parts" What is a Gatke Gear? Lot of 20, I counted 7 times came up with 19 every time. I think the Gatke Gear is awol

Example, Lot 1334, "Ford air cleaner and parts" Lot of 13, I count 15 items. Do they hold back two items???

Example, Lot 1354. "1932 Ford engine fan NOS" dimensions again, OK, seven pictures, four are of a fuel pump??? If your the successful bidder do you get the fan and the pump because it's pictured?

Otherwise Im gobsmacked!!!!!!!!
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I looked on the Mecum site AND could find VERY LITTLE about shipping and handling of "the goods" once the winning bid is received? I have heard MANY stories of "missing" items from "multi item" lots and what I DO read from Mecum ALL OVER their site IS "WE ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE" which I take at face value AND I take as BOTH DEFINITIONS of the statement!!!!! They are not a "responsible" for the "sticky hands" of their employee's and contractors THUS they are not a "responsible" company in my view!!!!
I called and here is how it works:

They have a third party that packs the items up. They then send you a shipping quote.

You have to confirm that item can be shipped. Most, but not all items are available to ship.

I agree that it isn't the most clear set up.

My recommendation is to call if you have any questions.

Remember there is a buyer's premium you'll pay on top of the overall total bid cost. I'd assume shipping will be marked up as well.
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It happened to me.Not a Mecum auction but another "reputable auction Co" based in MN. The part I wanted that was in the pic posted was switched out and not in the parts shipped. I contacted the Auction house and they said Oh those pics were taken 3 months ago.Sorry about that. They did refund my bid amount and the shipping. They apparently hire people to assist in arranging the lots and one of them had sticky fingers.No more on line auctions for me.Better be there or forget it or throw the dice.
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It happened to me.Not a Mecum auction but another "reputable auction Co" based in MN. The part I wanted that was in the pic posted was switched out and not in the parts shipped. I contacted the Auction house and they said Oh those pics were taken 3 months ago.Sorry about that. They did refund my bid amount and the shipping. They apparently hire people to assist in arranging the lots and one of them had sticky fingers.No more on line auctions for me.Better be there or forget it or throw the dice.
I could not agree more. Even when attending an auction for parts, one must be very careful that lots are not changed by bidders prior to the actual calling and parts "walking away" during and after the hammer comes down.

Plus, Mecum in particular is seemingly never responsible for anything according to them.
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There’s an on-line auction going on in Maine now. A lot of multi item lots. I believe I read in the auction house descriptions that lots could be changed before or during the sale, online only but your are allowed to view the items. Not something I want to take a chance on.... Mark
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I guess no dice with buying any parts there.I never did trust those Auctions houses anyway.I have about everything I need for my 32 anyway.My eyes are bigger then my pocket book anyway.The wife said when I bit the dust she going to junk all my Junkers anyway.Maybe part them outside by the curb with a sign Free for the taking.Some days I don't think she likes me anymore?
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I guess no dice with buying any parts there.I never did trust those Auctions houses anyway.I have about everything I need for my 32 anyway.My eyes are bigger then my pocket book anyway.The wife said when I bit the dust she going to junk all my Junkers anyway.Maybe part them outside by the curb with a sign Free for the taking.Some days I don't think she likes me anymore?
Hey Old Redneck,

I hope that day never comes, but please pass along my contact information to your wife. I'm sure I could help her by hauling away all of that free junk she puts to the curb. Heck, I'll even help her by loading it in my truck to save her the effort! LOL!
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At least the junk will be going to a good home.
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I emailed Mecum On Time and asked if I could pick up any of the Parts Lots that I would win at the Indy State Fairgrounds since I will be at the vehicle auction.
No Reply!!
They state that Customer Service is a priority.
Like all vehicle auctions, it is stated that they can phantom bid up to the Reserve Price.
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I emailed Mecum On Time and asked if I could pick up any of the Parts Lots that I would win at the Indy State Fairgrounds since I will be at the vehicle auction.
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They state that Customer Service is a priority.
Like all vehicle auctions, it is stated that they can phantom bid up to the Reserve Price.

I actually called them, someone picked up immediately, listened to my question and then transferred me to the person I needed to speak to.

I know a lot people preferring emailing, but I find picking up the phone sometime gets the best results.

Just my two cents.
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Tim, Glad that you called Mecum. So, Did they answer your question, Can you pick up the "goods" at the Indy State Fairgrounds when you are at the vehicle auction??? Did Mecum state where the parts are on display for inspection?

I think the vehicles will be at Indy State Fairgrounds but the parts will remain in Minnesota and will be shipped from there to auction winners.

My original question, are you bidding on what is pictured, or what is in the description? Sad to say, This scrambled deficient auction is a dis-service to Gene Hetland.
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Tim, Glad that you called Mecum. So, Did they answer your question, Can you pick up the "goods" at the Indy State Fairgrounds when you are at the vehicle auction??? Did Mecum state where the parts are on display for inspection?

I think the vehicles will be at Indy State Fairgrounds but the parts will remain in Minnesota and will be shipped from there to auction winners.

My original question, are you bidding on what is pictured, or what is in the description? Sad to say, This scrambled deficient auction is a dis-service to Gene Hetland.
Hi Tom:

I asked the following:

1) Shipping and pick up. Smaller items and those listed with an On-Time can be shipped or picked up. If you win, they notify you afterward to see what you want to do. The items are in Indy. They use a third party shipper. They try their best to consolidate your items, but it may take multiple boxes depending and that, of course, increases the cost of shipping to the winner.
She could not estimate shipping and handling charges since it all depends on weight and size; which is fair.

2) I did not ask about if the item lots were on display since I had no plans to intend. I did ask how accurate are the parts lot picts. She said fairly and they do their best, but sometimes more or less items are included for various reasons.

She suggested it's best to go by the items listed in the lot description and not the picture.

3) She did say if gross misrepresentation happens they will work with the buyer to rectify the problem.

I'm really interested in smalls. Bolts, nuts, etc. so it could turn out to be a cat in the bag and we'll see if I actually win any of the items I'm bidding on.

Hope this helps.

I'm just happy these items will hopefully get into the hands of folks who will use them.
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i wonder why Gene is selling all his cars and parts?
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i wonder why Gene is selling all his cars and parts?

He's getting up in age like many of us. About 18 years ago I asked him about his exit strategy. As I remember it he has 2 daughters who are not interested in cars nor are the son-in-laws. He must have just decided that it was time.
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I'm in the same situation, except that my stuff ain't nearly as cool.
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Sad but true.
Tony,

You are too modest. You've shared some picts of some treasures from your stash.

Standing offer: If, at any time, you find yourself in the position of needing someone to haul away your "junk", I will gladly drive down there to help you out. Heck, I won't even charge you for gas money.

After all, what are friends for?

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You are too modest. You've shared some picts of some treasures from your stash.

Standing offer: If, at any time, you find yourself in the position of needing someone to haul away your "junk", I will gladly drive down there to help you out. Heck, I won't even charge you for gas money.

After all, what are friends for?

LOL!!!!!
WOW Thanks Tim. Such a generous offer. I need more great friends like you. Can’t thank you enough.
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Is it my imagination, did Mecum expand the lot descriptions and add pictures for previously unpictured items/lots?
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Is it my imagination, did Mecum expand the lot descriptions and add pictures for previously unpictured items/lots?
No, they certainly did. A few lots/items I am bidding on certainly changed in both description and what is in the lot.
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I saw one group that was listed something like " misc items on a shelf". Problem is there are several items on that shelf that appear to me to be listed separately as a different lot. Better be careful you know what your actually bidding on.
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How do you do screen shots of lots to document exactly what you are bidding on? Obviously their photos and descriptions are grossly inadequate and in many cases inaccurate. Is this intentional, unintentional or just plain old indifference.

If there is no disclaimer by meum that you are bidding only on the items listed in the lot description and not the items shown in the pictures then you are bidding on the items listed and the items shown in the pictures.

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Check out this great Video on this upcoming Auction - 32 Heaven.

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Is there a schedule as to when the cars sell ?
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These auction fees are getting out of sight!
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Anybody know if there any parts auctions on site or are they all on line?
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Today, Indiana state realized $9,190.00 on the Gene Hetland mostly 1932 Ford parts auctions.

Today, Mecum realized $24,580.00 on the Gene Hetland mostly 1932 Ford parts auctions.

Gene Hetland realized $106,870.00 on the mostly 1932 Ford parts auctions.

These numbers are based on the final results of each auction.

A bit of irony, The two highest auctions were for HOT ROD parts and the third highest was for a bin full of mixed parts including HOT Rod Alum heads.
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I suspect that Gene is very disappointed in the financial results of the auction as the bidding seemed much less spirited than many anticipated, especially in the early lots. I think that the auction house's lack of clarity regarding shipping was a contributing factor. It was only after the auction ended they advised that won lots could be picked up at Indiana State Fairgrounds rather than shipped. (Unless I missed something in their earlier instructions, but if I did, I suspect that I was not alone.)
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Today, Indiana state realized $9,190.00 on the Gene Hetland mostly 1932 Ford parts auctions.

Today, Mecum realized $24,580.00 on the Gene Hetland mostly 1932 Ford parts auctions.

Gene Hetland realized $106,870.00 on the mostly 1932 Ford parts auctions.

These numbers are based on the final results of each auction.

A bit of irony, The two highest auctions were for HOT ROD parts and the third highest was for a bin full of mixed parts including HOT Rod Alum heads.

It was an interesting auction to watch. The two highest items : GH1762 & GH 1772 are reproductions of Eddie Meyer speed parts and sold for approximately 2X's their value as reproductions.

I'd have to assume the winner bidder thought they were original nor did the information on the site state they were reproductions either.

Along the same lines, I bought an NOS Edelbrock 4X2 intake for $250 which was a very good price. It was not advertised as such, but you can tell by the original casting coloring and no blemishes on any machined bolt holes.

Overall, some of the lots were really poorly listed or described. Also, some of the items they grouped together were not even in the same part family, but were very valuable.

I'm not sure what would be the best way to sell all of those incredible parts. I guess auctions can be hit or miss as seen here. It also ended at odd times.

The auctions ended between 9:00 AM-2:00 PM. Most people in the US would be at work during these times. Maybe that accounted for some of the low final bids on some of these items.

I also think the fee structure was really high. Taxes + fees add up to a lot of additional cost to the purchaser. Shipping is still to be determined.

If I didn't have a boy going to college in the fall, I would have spent much more than I did.

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I think I would have been upset if that was my stuff being sold.

Good descriptions and photos weren't provided. Maybe that's the auction house, maybe that's the seller.

https://ontime.mecum.com/auction/143...e-gauge-17059/

For example a item sold for $305 (next bid $355) listed as a Schrader Tire Gauge with dimensions in inches of 7x14x7 seems to be a display cabinet with a hinge and clasp, but not a tire gauge. The details say "valve inside."

There are four fairly weak photos. None shows the rear, top, bottom, or inside contents! I'd call that thin information.

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I suspect that Gene is very disappointed in the financial results of the auction as the bidding seemed much less spirited than many anticipated, especially in the early lots. I think that the auction house's lack of clarity regarding shipping was a contributing factor. It was only after the auction ended they advised that won lots could be picked up at Indiana State Fairgrounds rather than shipped. (Unless I missed something in their earlier instructions, but if I did, I suspect that I was not alone.)
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Being able to pick items up was part of the fine print. You had to read all of it to find that statement.
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I’m on my way back loaded with Auction parts. Very well run. Especially by Tiffany
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I picked up my items today as well. They were well organized and security conscious unlike a certain well known mid-western auction firm. And yes, Tiffany made it easy starting with her informative emails right after the auction ended.
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I think I would have been upset if that was my stuff being sold.

Good descriptions and photos weren't provided. Maybe that's the auction house, maybe that's the seller.

For example a item sold for $305 (next bid $355) listed as a Schrader Tire Gauge with dimensions in inches of 7x14x7 seems to be a display cabinet with a hinge and clasp, but not a tire gauge. The details say "valve inside."

There are four fairly weak photos. None shows the rear, top, bottom, or inside contents! I'd call that thin information.

From the auction disclaimer:

"Photos, materials for videos, descriptions and other information are provided by the consignor/seller and is deemed reliable, but Mecum Auction does not verify, warrant or guarantee this information".
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"Photos, materials for videos, descriptions and other information are provided by the consignor/seller and is deemed reliable, but Mecum Auction does not verify, warrant or guarantee this information".
Wow. If this is accurate and how it happened, I guess can't blame Mecum
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Tiffany sent me my shipping quote and tracking info this AM. $65 for 4 lots. Two were small, one is an intake and the other is a legal box and one item from that lot is longer than the legal box. Seems fair enough. Fingers crossed they all arrive in good shape.

If this all goes smoothly, I would definitely bid on their auctions again. Yes, fees are high, but if you are patient, you can get some good deals.

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I picked up my items today as well. They were well organized and security conscious unlike a certain well known mid-western auction firm. And yes, Tiffany made it easy starting with her informative emails right after the auction ended.


How about some pictures of what was purchased from this great collection by those of you that bought stuff?
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I think I would have been upset if that was my stuff being sold.

Good descriptions and photos weren't provided. Maybe that's the auction house, maybe that's the seller.

https://ontime.mecum.com/auction/143...e-gauge-17059/

For example a item sold for $305 (next bid $355) listed as a Schrader Tire Gauge with dimensions in inches of 7x14x7 seems to be a display cabinet with a hinge and clasp, but not a tire gauge. The details say "valve inside."

There are four fairly weak photos. None shows the rear, top, bottom, or inside contents! I'd call that thin information.

That one really surprised me..... That should have been in the thousands, not hundreds.....
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I bought a few items, but my favorite are the two original SCTA medallions. Killer!

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I wanted to buy but was not able to pick up parts if I bought any. So I just forgot about the Auction. I would like to buy the Cabriolet but was told it would be very high and out of my price range. So be it. That ok I can live without it.
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23% buyers premium is just pure greed. I just took one look at that and from then on I had no interest in this auction at all. I'll wait for Hershey to come back and look for parts there.
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23% buyers premium is just pure greed. I just took one look at that and from then on I had no interest in this auction at all. I'll wait for Hershey to come back and look for parts there.
That certainly came into play before I placed any of my bids. Some of the parts were so nice, it was worth the premium to me. Your opinion may differ.

I got caught up on one lot for four complete Stewart Warner tach drives that ended up going for over $1,000. I could not justify spending the $250 premium even though it was a good deal at the final price including premium.

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That was my first reaction (to the buyers premium), but it is easy to judge from afar and not knowing the sprawl and complexity of the auction site, the hundreds of helpful Mecum employees (all paid, not volunteers) providing security, directions, and golf cart rides to visitors seeking to pick up their parts to and from the jammed sprawled out parking (besides the 2,500 cars and trucks going on the block all week long) and between pavilions with limited access for security reasons, careful administration of disbursing all of the 504 lots to the right owners without items walking off by themselves, with everything repacked for either pickup or shipping (the wooden boxes and display cabinet shelves weren't included and that was clearly stated before hand), and then there is the minor matter of moving all of that stuff from Minnesota to Indiana. Having seen it all yesterday and been a beneficiary of the services provided, the funds to bankroll all of that have to come from somewhere, so, no, I cannot agree that the buyer's premium of 23% is "pure greed".
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That was my first reaction (to the buyers premium), but it is easy to judge from afar and not knowing the sprawl and complexity of the auction site, the hundreds of helpful Mecum employees (all paid, not volunteers) providing security, directions, and golf cart rides to visitors seeking to pick up their parts to and from the jammed sprawled out parking (besides the 2,500 cars and trucks going on the block all week long) and between pavilions with limited access for security reasons, careful administration of disbursing all of the 504 lots to the right owners without items walking off by themselves, with everything repacked for either pickup or shipping (the wooden boxes and display cabinet shelves weren't included and that was clearly stated before hand), and then there is the minor matter of moving all of that stuff from Minnesota to Indiana. Having seen it all yesterday and been a beneficiary of the services provided, the funds to bankroll all of that have to come from somewhere, so, no, I cannot agree that the buyer's premium of 23% is "pure greed".
Thanks for this perspective. I've edited my post to reflect your thoughtful response.
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I agree with David on the fees. Couldn’t have said it better. Now for the prices. I’ve been doing this for almost 60 years. I know Gene same state also. He did very well with prices. The auction for his memoriablia tomomorrow will also bring big money along with his cars. The cars are the best you will ever see.
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The auction I was referring to was the online auction of parts and not the 1932 Ford cars and other vehicles that were also up for auction. The auction I was referring to is the first posting in this thread and was made up of about 500 or so lots. 23% premium on top of the hammer price, on top of the probable 10% auction fee charged to the seller is just far too high. Some of theses auction companies have figured out that some vintage car buyers and vintage car parts buyers are willing to pay almost anything to acquire that special car part or vehicle. So guess what happens next. They jack up fees buyers premiums etc. and find they can get away with it, because some people are happy to pay these crazy prices.

This online auction could have been held with a minimal staff involved and the profit margin had to be high.

I for one simply will not pay these crazy high fees. The high prices and money gouging prices are just going to ruin our hobby. Our young people simply will not continue the hobby and everything will come to an end.
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The auction I was referring to was the online auction of parts and not the 1932 Ford cars and other vehicles that were also up for auction. The auction I was referring to is the first posting in this thread and was made up of about 500 or so lots. 23% premium on top of the hammer price, on top of the probable 10% auction fee charged to the seller is just far too high. Some of theses auction companies have figured out that some vintage car buyers and vintage car parts buyers are willing to pay almost anything to acquire that special car part or vehicle. So guess what happens next. They jack up fees buyers premiums etc. and find they can get away with it, because some people are happy to pay these crazy prices.

This online auction could have been held with a minimal staff involved and the profit margin had to be high.

I for one simply will not pay these crazy high fees. The high prices and money gouging prices are just going to ruin our hobby. Our young people simply will not continue the hobby and everything will come to an end.
I believe the current (quote) "crazy high fees" have no new impact on the hobby. This hobby has always been a bit on the expensive side. I was fortunate enough to get in on the proverbial "ground floor" back in the late 60's and prospered rather well for that.
To quote you: "The high prices and money gouging prices are just going to ruin our hobby."
A hobby is paid for with discretionary (aka fun money) monies. Some folks have more discretionary money than others. So be it.

There's a reason only one car remains on my bucket list. Cost. Current value is around $750. For me - insane. For others? Chump change. I don't believe that ruined anything for me. I had the chance to buy that particular car in 1976 for a cool $35. I chose to by my first home for the same price.

Auctions, like any free enterprise, thrive upon supply and demand.

Believing that (quote) "Our young people simply will not continue the hobby and everything will come to an end." Well, yes, but for not so much the money end of it but rather the loss of interest. Cars collected by folks like me and most others were typically the ones we wanted in high school / college or had at that time. As we as a group aged and became more affluent, we started buying those cars.
Young folks by and large are not interested in cars and many, very many are not even seeking a drivers license. So as they age, there are no memories of "that car" to create an urgency to buy one.
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Wait 5 or 10 years; you'll be able to buy a lot of this stuff a lot cheaper than now.

Oh yeah, a lot of us won't be around in 5 or 10 years to take advantage of the bargains.
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I for one simply will not pay these crazy high fees. The high prices and money gouging prices are just going to ruin our hobby. Our young people simply will not continue the hobby and everything will come to an end.


Quote is from a poster above. I just wanted to quote the last part.

I've been hearing this for the last 25-30 years. A cool car is a cool car. Today's kids are still into cars if they can get into them right.

What turns they off are the guys who turn their nose at hot rod or a modified stocker. The old Ford hot rod world is stronger than ever. Guys are dropping very big money on those rare parts or the right car. Anything pre-war is in a demand and the prices are higher.

We need to stop recycling this myth.

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I think that Tubman's post puts everything into perspective. Things are really going to change in the next 5 to 10 years. I really don't know what is going to happen to our hobby .Some younger people are still going to be interested but the numbers will be down considerably compared to the number of enthusiasts today. The hot housing market, the future surge in numbers of electric vehicles, and just the plain high cost of desirable parts and getting into this hobby in the first place are going to be determining factors in future young people getting into this hobby.

I have made my feelings known about the auction buyers premium. Looking over the auction results I see that the Eddie Meyer water heated intake manifold brought a hammer price of around $3700. I have been going to Fall Hershey for a lot of years and about 1980 there was a fellow selling his entire collection of about 80 flathead intakes for $35 each, your choice. Yes, you guessed it, I purchased the same Eddie Meyer intake for$35. I also bought 5 other intakes, a couple of Thickstuns, a Jack Henry, a Weiand tall and an Edelbrock Regular. That was all I could fit into my wagon. Yes, times have really changed since then.
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I think that Tubman's post puts everything into perspective. Things are really going to change in the next 5 to 10 years. I really don't know what is going to happen to our hobby .Some younger people are still going to be interested but the numbers will be down considerably compared to the number of enthusiasts today. The hot housing market, the future surge in numbers of electric vehicles, and just the plain high cost of desirable parts and getting into this hobby in the first place are going to be determining factors in future young people getting into this hobby.

I have made my feelings known about the auction buyers premium. Looking over the auction results I see that the Eddie Meyer water heated intake manifold brought a hammer price of around $3700. I have been going to Fall Hershey for a lot of years and about 1980 there was a fellow selling his entire collection of about 80 flathead intakes for $35 each, your choice. Yes, you guessed it, I purchased the same Eddie Meyer intake for$35. I also bought 5 other intakes, a couple of Thickstuns, a Jack Henry, a Weiand tall and an Edelbrock Regular. That was all I could fit into my wagon. Yes, times have really changed since then.
What's interesting about that Eddie Meyer intake that sold in the auction, it's a reproduction. Still very cool, but a reproduction and sold for more than it should have.
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Typically it used to be 10% paid by the buyer and 10% paid by the seller so the auction house made 20% on all sales. The fact that the auction house is paid on commission is why they should be marketing an auction. Sure there is a disclaimer for the buyer that they are not liable for information provided but they are liable for poor marketing in the form of poor sales. It costs them money.
The Dingman auction had the same crazy fees and stuff was still in the stratosphere. There are some discriminating collectors out there we are not even aware of. They have a building on their property that is the equivalent to a museum. The cars there are meticulously maintained and of the highest quality. Dingman sold a 1949 Convertible for 100,000. He paid 150,000 to get it restored.
If I were to sell mine I fell hard pressed to get in the high 20's for it.
We are just a bunch of regular guys. Sure one of us may be worth 10 times more than the other but 100 dollars is worth 10 times more than 10 dollars. We are all still little guys. The big guy does not even bother with these conversations.
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I guess you did not bother to read all of my post in #61 where I specifically cited the 504 lots of parts and Mecum's handling of them while making no reference to cars other than in a parking lot context.
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Is the auction bidding on video & how are the vehicles pix viewed
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I think that Tubman's post puts everything into perspective. Things are really going to change in the next 5 to 10 years. I really don't know what is going to happen to our hobby .Some younger people are still going to be interested but the numbers will be down considerably compared to the number of enthusiasts today. The hot housing market, the future surge in numbers of electric vehicles, and just the plain high cost of desirable parts and getting into this hobby in the first place are going to be determining factors in future young people getting into this hobby.

I have made my feelings known about the auction buyers premium. Looking over the auction results I see that the Eddie Meyer water heated intake manifold brought a hammer price of around $3700. I have been going to Fall Hershey for a lot of years and about 1980 there was a fellow selling his entire collection of about 80 flathead intakes for $35 each, your choice. Yes, you guessed it, I purchased the same Eddie Meyer intake for$35. I also bought 5 other intakes, a couple of Thickstuns, a Jack Henry, a Weiand tall and an Edelbrock Regular. That was all I could fit into my wagon. Yes, times have really changed since then.
Let's see here, 1980 was 40 years ago and the cost of doing business has gone up considerably since then. You indicate that these current prices are going to squeeze out the young people who want to get into the hobby. So here's a suggestion. Since you have collected all these parts over the years and maybe even hoarded them by hanging them on the wall, why not sell them to young person for what you paid for them. This way you get all your money back and have helped some young person get into the hobby. You've had the pleasure of owning them and can now pass them on to a new and younger owner to keep the hobby going.
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TJ, yes I have tried to help out younger people by selling intake manifolds to them for a very reasonable price, just to help them out with their project and get them along in the hobby. I remember selling two very hard to find intakes to two different young people. Just take a guess what happened. Within two weeks after each sale each intake ended up on ebay after these two persons faithfully told me they were going to use these intakes on their cars. I really didn't like the end result of me trying to help someone out.
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I guess you did not bother to read all of my post in #61 where I specifically cited the 504 lots of parts and Mecum's handling of them while making no reference to cars other than in a parking lot context.
Yes David, I did read all of your post #61. It was extremely well written and you have that special talent when it comes to writing, and I fully can understand your viewpoint. You obviously liked your purchases and liked your whole experience with that auction company. That's great and as long you are happy this is just fine.

I, however have a different viewpoint. Whether from afar or up close the buyers premium was far too high in my opinion and I chose not to participate in that auction for that reason.
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TJ, yes I have tried to help out younger people by selling intake manifolds to them for a very reasonable price, just to help them out with their project and get them along in the hobby. I remember selling two very hard to find intakes to two different young people. Just take a guess what happened. Within two weeks after each sale each intake ended up on ebay after these two persons faithfully told me they were going to use these intakes on their cars. I really didn't like the end result of me trying to help someone out.
Sorry you had a couple of bad experiences. I've been lucky so far that the parts I gave to people or sold cheaply were used on their cars and they were young guys. i can understand why you are now hesitant to help out.
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TJ, yes I have tried to help out younger people by selling intake manifolds to them for a very reasonable price, just to help them out with their project and get them along in the hobby. I remember selling two very hard to find intakes to two different young people. Just take a guess what happened. Within two weeks after each sale each intake ended up on ebay after these two persons faithfully told me they were going to use these intakes on their cars. I really didn't like the end result of me trying to help someone out.
I agree 100% that's not cool at all. Not in the least.
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Does anybody have a list of what each of Gene’s cars sold for?
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I wrote them all down but Mecum should be posting the results on their site.I was surprised that the chopped 3W went for $300K.His first '32 roadster $62K.The 19K mile orig roadster $200K.The RPU went for $60K which I thought was a bargain.The Vicky $77K,Sed Del $75K.The 4cyl 5W $95K.To name a few.All the '32's went for a total of 2.151 Million.

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The auction prices on the cars confused me... a 4 door sold for the same amount as a roadster pickup (60k), and a 2 door sedan brought darn close to a 3w coupe.. a neat collection of cars that in my opinion the restored cars brought way less than anticipated
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The auction prices on the cars confused me... a 4 door sold for the same amount as a roadster pickup (60k), and a 2 door sedan brought darn close to a 3w coupe.. a neat collection of cars that in my opinion the restored cars brought way less than anticipated
Wow. That's crazy.
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Old 05-23-2021, 06:12 AM   #82
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The auctioned revealed the "new market" for quality 32's whether they be original, restored or traditional hot rods. And yes I agree the number of people interested in old cars continues to dwindle, but the number of high quality cars is limited and continues to dwindle as well. Therefore I believe the majority of Gene's cars will hold their value.
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I enjoyed watching the Auction on the internet. The one that sold for 300,000 blew my mind. I wonder who bought it? The 32 will always hold there value after we are gone.Its nice to own one. Dave books have been a super great help on keeping the 32's as Henry built them. A lot of people would have like to own at least one of them. My Grand Daughter is going to get my Junkers and what she does with them is up to her. She the only one that wants to help me with them.
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As an owner of two 1932s I was curious where the early Ford hobby was trending so I attended the auction prepared to bid the top of the preauction estimates on the 32 three window hotrods and I was even able to bid on one before the bids flew by me . It was a fun event and I would not have missed it . The 2 gray headed gentlemen who were bidding at the end on the chopped 3 window clearly wanted that beauty and I don't blame them ! After the auction I know where I am headed on my 32s, early authentic hotrods , I love the look and enhanced drivability they represent .
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The big shot car auctions RUINED RUINED RUINED the old car hobby, in my mind they are all LOOSERS,, and anyone who buys cars at those auctions and pay those inflated car prices and crazy way to high buyers premiums deserve what they get, and one of the first companies to have these auctions now makes you hire one of there car haulers to transport a car if you buy it BUYER BEWARE
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Antique Cars are worth whatever someone is willing to pay. What we think what a car sold for has little value. It does not change the price. Like the 32 that sold for 300,000 it took two or more to get that price to what it sold for.That up to them.Sometimes it makes me scratch my head. So be it.
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I got to sit in that big buck car when I was at Gene's place. First and only chopped '32 I have ever been in and it's a beauty for sure. I don't follow '32 values but it looks like they held up very well in todays market.
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I see they had parts in boxes of 1932 Ford Grigsby & Grunow radios parts for sale there I thought I would go after them but if they had a 23% premium that would put price right up.
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One went for $20 and the other $25 (plus 23%); real bargains if one was looking for '32-'33 radio parts.
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One went for $20 and the other $25 (plus 23%); real bargains if one was looking for '32-'33 radio parts.
I was to slow.
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I was there, I recorded the $ Numbers as best as I could. As soon as one auction is over its instantly on to the next one.

Lot 105, Restored Victoria, $70,000.

Lot 106, Restored Sedan Delivery, $75,000.

Lot 107 Restored Station Wagon $125,000.

Lot 108, Restored Convertible Sedan, $130,000.

Lot 109, Restored 3 Window Coupe, $75,000.

Lot 110, Restored Deluxe Roadster, $62,000.

Lot 111, Hot Rod Deluxe 3 Window Coupe, $300,000.

Lot 112, Hot Rod Triple Nickel Roadster, $210,000.

Lot 113, Hot Rod Unfinished Roadster, $100,000.

Lot 114, Early Chassis, $16,500.

Lot 115, Original Deluxe 3 Window Coupe, $100,000.

Lot 116, Restored Roadster Pickup, $60,000.

Lot 117, Hot Rod 3 Window Coupe, $140.000.

Lot 118, Restored Pickup, $55,000.

Lot 119, Original Deluxe Phaeton, $112,500.

Lot 120, Original Deluxe Cabriolet, $85,000.

Lot 121, Original Deluxe Roadster, $200,000.

Lot 122, Original Standard 5 Window Coupe. $95,000.

Lot 123, Original Standard 2 Tudor Sedan, $85,000.

Lot 124, Original Deluxe Fordor Sedan, $60,000.

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Talked with the guy who bought the 300K 3W coupe, said he was not going home without it. He was happy, knew exactly what he was buying. All the speed equipment was authentic, modifications, construction, finish all perfection, could not be duplicated today for that price.

On the other end of the spectrum, the low sn chassis, had to persuade bidders up to 16.5 What's the future for an aged museum piece, build a restored car when the value of restored cars is flat or down? 16.5 as the foundation for a hot rod? what are you going to use, the grill shell?

Also talked to the guy (agent) who bought both the phaeton and the original roadster. He was very pleased. Laser focused on originality.
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Regarding the on-line parts auctions. Someone told me Tiffany was in charge from beginning to end. Communications, sent msg on the 18th response on the 19th, faster response would have been helpful. Organized, yes, knowledgeable about this particular type of parts? no. Detailed, accurate descriptions, no. Clear defining pictures, no.

My own personal experience. Lot 2713 "Early Ford Shackles" (dog bones) Eight shackles pictured, 4 front, 4 rear. NOS not in the description, not one word about quantity or quality. When I bid $30. I felt a bit stupid but I was actually cleaning up a set for my car. Add 8.6% tax $2.58. add 23% premium $6.90, Total $39.48, really stupid. Unit price $5.00 Add shipping, brain dead. On balance I had $30. in time on the 4 used pieces. I'm a sucker for good quality. Picked up the parts on Friday am, saved on shipping, not brain dead yet. Opened the bag, 4 rear shackles, 28 front shackles. Unit price $1.25

Lot 2738 Early Ford Inside Door Handles, Two door handles and a repro window crank knob pictured. Description - 3 window. Bid $130. Im happy. Add 8.6% tax $11.18, add 23% premium $29.90, Total $171.08, I'm still happy but not as happy. Opened the bag on Friday, 5 NOS handles. Back to HAPPY + a friend wants to buy the extra 3 handles, more happy.

I won't go into details about the 3rd lot I bought, in short it included one item I've been hunting for years, given the deficient description and crap pictures, it was an expensive leap of faith. I'm really really really stupid HAPPY.

If the descriptions were better, if the pictures were better I would have been a more aggressive buyer, A LOT MORE AGGRESSIVE

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Not sure if everyone saw the custom catalog for the Hetland portion of the auction.

https://mecum.dcatalog.com/v/Gene-Hetlands-Deuceheaven/
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Not sure if everyone saw the custom catalog for the Hetland portion of the auction.

https://mecum.dcatalog.com/v/Gene-Hetlands-Deuceheaven/
Thank you for sharing. Well done! Those 3 window hot rods made me weak in the knees.
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The catalog is handsome and the considerable cost of its creation harkens back to my earlier comment about the cost to create and administer a package extravaganza like this one. (I'd like it even better if they had spelled my name correctly on page 84.)
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I wish Mecum put as much effort into the parts lot descriptions and photography as they did on the cars. Return on investment, labor to profit ratio, Parts, high labor effort, low premium fee, Cars, low labor effort, high premium fee. What would you do?

The GH parts as a whole were probably worth $300K to $450K if properly defined, photographed and marketed. To me the parts auctions were a fire sale with Mecum running for the exit.

Dave, I understand what your saying about the cost/ effort to put on such a production. Keep in mind, $10. to park each day, $30. to get in each day. $80.00 for two days OR $50. for parking for 5 days and $200. to get in for 5 days, just multiply that by the number of attendees. $200 to register to bid, felt compelled to bid to win so the fee is worth something.
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Tom,

I absolutely agree that the parts auction had to be bust from Gene's perspective. If you or I had walked into his place a month or so before he had committed to Mecum to sell the parts through them and we had offered him $110K for all of his parts at that time, he would have thrown us out on our ear.

All good, fair points regarding the various fees. On the other side of the ledger, I doubt if the State of Indiana let them have the run of the place without a cut of the parking fees and use of space in the many buildings that they occupied. As an aside, on Thursday, thanks to the helpfulness of two friendly Mecum employees, I paid nothing for parking in the driveway of one of the closed entrances to where the parts were kept, nor an admission fee, and got a free golf cart ride to and from the entrance with the driver helping me load and unload my parts on to and off his golf cart. Maybe I am starting to look my age.
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Mecum has a deal with NBCSports Group through 2024 to telecast numerous yearly events. I didn't see how much that deal is worth, but it can't be pennies.
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My experience has been nothing but bad. I bought multiple lots. No email or written invoice from Mecum. The shipping company informed me that 3 complete lots of parts plus one partial lot was missing. The two lots that were important to me included one lot of 7 runningboards plus another lot with 4 sets of finned aluminim heads which included a pair of rare Smith waterpipe heads. Once I brought this to Mecums attention, after several weeks of back and forth, they acknowledged that they were not there, i was charged for them. I have a balance remaining of about $14k for parts remaining. I have challenged my credit card charge . I refused to complete the transaction because Mecum refused to supply an inventory list of the parts being shipped and went so far as to say whatever I got, that was it. No complaints, no recourse. I refuse to do that so I am prepared for legal action. I will NEVER buy anything at an absentee auction again. I thought Mecum was a reputable compay but they have treated me poorly and bullied me into accepting everything on their terms, one being never responding to emails because it puts my concers and their response into writing.
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My experience has been nothing but bad. I bought multiple lots. No email or written invoice from Mecum. The shipping company informed me that 3 complete lots of parts plus one partial lot was missing. The two lots that were important to me included one lot of 7 runningboards plus another lot with 4 sets of finned aluminim heads which included a pair of rare Smith waterpipe heads. Once I brought this to Mecums attention, after several weeks of back and forth, they acknowledged that they were not there, i was charged for them. I have a balance remaining of about $14k for parts remaining. I have challenged my credit card charge . I refused to complete the transaction because Mecum refused to supply an inventory list of the parts being shipped and went so far as to say whatever I got, that was it. No complaints, no recourse. I refuse to do that so I am prepared for legal action. I will NEVER buy anything at an absentee auction again. I thought Mecum was a reputable compay but they have treated me poorly and bullied me into accepting everything on their terms, one being never responding to emails because it puts my concers and their response into writing.
I'm sorry to hear of your issues with Mecum auction. That really stinks that it has become such a fiscal loss for you.

I'm not posting this to aggravate you, but my experience was the opposite. I was missing one item that was clearly in the lot picts. I contacted Tiffany a few times and she was able to track it down and shipped it out to me for no charge.

I was feeling pretty good about the experience since it was my first time doing anything remotely like this.

After hearing your story, I feel bad for I'm sure others are in your position.

I hope Mecum learns from all this and tries to improve their actions going forward. Some of the pictures of the offered lots and the descriptions they gave for them left a lot to be desired.

I'm hopeful you'll get it all sorted out soon.
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