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Just wondering, if draining the pan and torque converter, (or maybe take the pan off and cleaning it too) is sufficient before replacing with Type F. Does it need to be flushed, and if to with what?
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A MANUAL FLUSH is the only acceptable way to perform a full service. Do not use a flush machine as who knows when it was last serviced and what type of fluid/residues lingers within it. A complete drop and fill (incl conv) will most likely suffice (depending on service history and lubricant used) if you perform a pan drop and filter shortly afterwards. A trans must be serviced on a regular basis. The fluid draws moisture out of the air (hygroscopic) breaking it down and detergents also wear down. Unless you have a temp gauge and possibly a cooler, who knows what heat it is exposed to. This is IMO only as I am a detail nut (CDO in correct alphabetical sequence for OCD).
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Overlooked this one -
If flushing, you would use the ATF you are going to fill it with, in this case TYPE F which is still available from FORD so you know it has not been adulterated.
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06-18-2021, 09:02 AM | #29 |
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I find it hard to "recommend" any lubricant on a forum such as this so I don't do it anymore. Folks that want to do the research should do it themselves and make their own decisions on these matters.
I will reiterate one thing that can not be overlooked. The original type A and B will never be available again due to what was used to blend it. Whale oil is not available in the USA. It's as simple as that. Dexron II and Ford Type F were attempts to develop products that would do the job for their power trains without the use of whale oil. They needed a replacement in the 1968 to 73 time frame so this was the results they came up with. Another result was the added red dye. |
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I thought we went through the whale oil discussion a few weeks ago. Whale oil has nothing to do with modern lubricants.
As for recommending, I do not do that either (not anywhere qualified). If a question is asked I will point to information. It is up to the reader to decide how he wants to proceed. Now why would ATF be dyed red?
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KULTULZ and rotorwrench ,
Thank you both for your insights, comments and suggestions. I have made a decision to go with the Type F, (selection of the brand is a whole other story) and flush the system and refill with new, then watch it closely for any difference in shifting performance. I have to admit, sometimes, after reading the latest posts each morning, I wonder why why anyone would ever take their car out of the garage. But then I remember my parents taking me from Michigan to Wyoming, for vacation in the same car I own now, with out issues. Life is a series of decisions, and owning a classic car provides you with an unending supply! |
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Please consider ATF as to quality, not price.
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So whale oil (or lack thereof) is not a factor in modern lubricant. Whale oil was used for it's anti-corrosive properties.
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What is the actual "mineral oil" used now?
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06-19-2021, 12:59 PM | #37 |
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The argument about the correct fluid or the correct oil is something that will never be resolved. I once was the tech editor for a classic ford club. I had the question come up in the early 70's. Not knowing my rear end from a hole in the ground, I contacted an automotive lubricant engineer at Chevron. He gave m all kinds of information on friction modifiers and other technical information that I only partially understood. His bottom line is, that the closest current fluid to Type A, Suffix A is the Dexron fluid. It has been several years since I got the information but it is my understanding that the Dexron II, III, IV etc is till the best fluid to use. Anecdotally, several people have said they use type F and some were Ford garage techs. Type F does not stand for Ford any more than Type A stands for American Motors. It was simply a spec. The only thing I remember from the conversation with the engineer is that the type F allows for a sharper shift due to those friction modifiers. How the work, I have no clue. I use the Dexron in my cars and will continue to do so until I hear from someone with the oils engineering background that there is something better.
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I am starting to feel bad for bigd1101 = Don, all he wanted to do was change his transmission fluid. He was thinking I will buy a 53' Mercury, they are simpler to maintain.
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06-19-2021, 06:37 PM | #39 |
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The main problem is people believing information that was current in the fifties. It would be akin to a brain surgeon relying on medical information from the fifties.
It is not that hard to figure. Original manufacturers licenses have expired FORD-GM-MOPAR-FOREIGN) (except for FORD TYPE F) and you have snake oil peddlers saying one fluid fits all. Nothing farther from the truth. As for a trans shop, one may have completely different thoughts and experiences from another. Most draw fluid from a single drum except for current tech (hopefully). The fluid being discussed here (CHEVRON in this case) is a fluid that is neither DEXRON (GM) or FORD (MERCON) exact but a blend that will hopefully work in either application. None are licensed and/or approved by auto manufacturers. FORD used GM A and DEXRONS until 1959 when they began to blend their own. It is either that are go to approved back fill synthetics. If it will be a complete flush and just not add or pan drop, I would go with the synthetic. But that is just me, your mileage may vary. TYPE F was a culmination of oils produced by FOMOCO beginning in 1959 and ending with TYPE G and H. I feel sorry for the OP also. But chances are the trans is due for a rebuild anyway.
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This subject......I'm going with the Dex/Merc stuff, draining the tranny/torque converter, putting in the new stuff, driving away into the sunset. BTW, the 80 year old former owner said the tranny "was gone over entirely" and by the looks of the car, I believe him. Don |
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