Ford 1933

[Matej1991]

Please can someone tell me why the 1933 Ford Victoria or Fordor Sedan are not as often for sale as the 1934 Ford? I saw only one Ford 1933 Fordor Sedan for sale in a year.

[SoCal32]

I wasn't around then but I've heard plenty of stories about front sheetmetal and grille swaps back in the day. Lots of 33s converted to 34s as well as 35s to 36s. People wanted to latest redesigned look.

[34fordy]

Originally Posted by Matej1991

Please can someone tell me why the 1933 Ford Victoria or Fordor Sedan are not as often for sale as the 1934 Ford? I saw only one Ford 1933 Fordor Sedan for sale in a year.

1933 production---254,350
1934 production---776,879 about 3 times as many

[Matej1991]

Originally Posted by SoCal32

I wasn't around then but I've heard plenty of stories about front sheetmetal and grille swaps back in the day. Lots of 33s converted to 34s as well as 35s to 36s. People wanted to latest redesigned look.

If people were to change parts, they would not be able to change the wheelbase.

[Matej1991]

Originally Posted by 34fordy

1933 production---254,350
1934 production---776,879 about 3 times as many

I don't think it has anything to do with production. With Victoria, the production was small, but with Fordor Sedan, it had to be the largest.

[Bob C]

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Why would you think it has nothing to do with production.
Vickies 1933 4193
Vickies 1934 20,083


https://www.conceptcarz.com/s10892/ford-model-40.aspx

[Matej1991]

Originally Posted by Bob C

Why would you think it has nothing to do with production.
Vickies 1933 4193
Vickies 1934 20,083


https://www.conceptcarz.com/s10892/ford-model-40.aspx

According to the book I have, 40,540 Deluxe Fordor Sedan 1933 were produced in the USA. And as you wrote, only 20,066 Victoria from 1934, which is half as many, but Victoria from 1934 is more often for sale than Fordor Sedan from 1933.

[SoCal32]

Originally Posted by Matej1991

If people were to change parts, they would not be able to change the wheelbase.

Not saying 33s were changed to 36s. 35s were changed to 36s

[DavidG]

Whoa! First of all, the best selling body type in both model years was the Tudor sedan. Second of all, no definitive records exists as to the number of '33 models produced or as to the number of '34 models produced regardless of body type because Ford did not keep its records separating the two, unlike in all other pre-WWII model years. The figures cited above are calendar year production figures, not model year production figures. There were significantly more '34 models produced than those figures indicate for two simple reasons. First, 1933 model production did not start until well into January, 1933 and second, 1934 model production started in October, 1933.

[Matej1991]

Originally Posted by SoCal32

Not saying 33s were changed to 36s. 35s were changed to 36s

The 1933 Ford had 106" and 112" wheelbases but in 1934 they only had 112".

[Matej1991]

Originally Posted by DavidG

Whoa! First of all, the best selling body type in both model years was the Tudor sedan. Second of all, no definitive records exists as to the number of '33 models produced or as to the number of '34 models produced regardless of body type because Ford did not keep its records separating the two, unlike in all other pre-WWII model years. The figures cited above are calendar year production figures, not model year production figures. There were significantly more '34 models produced than those figures indicate for two simple reasons. First, 1933 model production did not start until well into January, 1933 and second, 1934 model production started in October, 1933.

I bought a Ford Model A Convertible Sedan of which less than 5000 were produced. But even those are more for sale than the 1933 Ford. I don't know if this information is correct but the 1933 Ford had 2 models. Model 18 and Model 40 so the search will be even more difficult.

[DavidG]

Model 18 was the '32 model year designation. Those production figures are not mixed in with those for the Model(s) 40.


Mate191,


You're mixing apples and oranges. The United Kingdom only model 14 with its carryover '32 chassis with a wheelbase of 106" was produced in both 1933 and 1934. Its production figures are not mixed in with those of the Model(s) 40 (112" wheelbase) in the Ford production statistics.

[Matej1991]

So the 106" wheelbase was in 1933 and 1934 in Europe. And the 112" was in the US?

[DavidG]

No, Both the Model 14 and the Model 40 were sold side by side in 1933 and 1934 in the United Kingdom. The Model 14 was not sold outside of the United Kingdom. Its existence can be attributed to the draconian horsepower tax imposed there.



Both versions of the 1933 and 1934 Model 40s were sold worldwide during 1933 and 1934 and in some countries beyond the 1934 calendar year.

[highbeams]

thanks for the wheelbase posts -

[Matej1991]

Model 40 and Model B because 1933 and 1934 also had 4 cylinders, was the wheelbase the same? And if the wheelbase is solved then why are there so few 1933 Fords for sale? Certainly more than 5,000 units of both the Victoria and the Fordor Sedan were produced.

[mercman from oz]

1933 and 1934 Ford Cowls compared. As has been mentioned, a lot of 1933 Fords have been changed to 1934 models. However, the Cowls are different between these two models. Check out this photo, and you will see that the indent for the rope anti-rattler stops way shorter on the 1934 model. That is not counting the tab on the 33 Ford and the hole on the 34 Ford for keeping the hood closed.

[Matej1991]

Originally Posted by mercman from oz

1933 and 1934 Ford Cowls compared. As has been mentioned, a lot of 1933 Fords have been changed to 1934 models. However, the Cowls are different between these two models. Check out this photo, and you will see that the indent for the rope anti-rattler stops way shorter on the 1934 model. That is not counting the tab on the 33 Ford and the hole on the 34 Ford for keeping the hood closed.

Thank you sir. Can you please tell me if this difference in the cowl is on both sides or only on the passenger side as in the photo. Thank you.

[deuce lover]

Originally Posted by Matej1991

Model 40 and Model B because 1933 and 1934 also had 4 cylinders, was the wheelbase the same? And if the wheelbase is solved then why are there so few 1933 Fords for sale? Certainly more than 5,000 units of both the Victoria and the Fordor Sedan were produced.

Wheelbase is the same for 4 cyl and V8.

[Graham Freeman]

Both sides the same.