Id head

[FRANK PKNY]

My model A has a high compression head that I will pull soon to look for a problem. Can anyone ID it for me as I want to have the correct gasket on hand to expedite the repair.

[Gary WA]

Originally Posted by FRANK PKNY

My model A has a high compression head that I will pull soon to look for a problem. Can anyone ID it for me as I want to have the correct gasket on hand to expedite the repair.

Need a picture?!!

[FRANK PKNY]

Sorry could not get the photo's to link, will try again today! Frank

[FRANK PKNY]

Had to reduce the size to get them to show up. Here you go. Thinking it's a high compression head as I'm getting 100lbs compression , If I can id it I'll know what gasket to have on hand. Thanks Frank

[Juggler]

Brumfield

http://www.modelatrader.com/brumfield/brumfield.html

[Dave in MN]

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Vince Falter has a great website (Ford Garage) you should check out. He has some info on the correct head gasket to use with the Brumfield head. I think the following link will take you to the correct area of his website.
Good Day!

http://www.fordgarage.com/pages/brumfieldheadgasket.htm

Vince's website: Fel-Pro 7013 R3

[FRANK PKNY]

Thanks guys big help, just what the Dr. ordered. now I can proceed. Merry Christmas !! Frank pkny

[tbirdtbird]

unless optical illusion, some of the nuts do not appear to be full height

[29spcoupe]

Frank, my brother Frank has a Brumfield head. Give him a call. Regards, John

[Purdy Swoft]

If it has BF in raised letters it is a Brumfield. Larry recommended the Felpro 7013C third revision head gasket with his heads. I have three of his heads and that is the gasket that I have used with excellent results .

[briphaeton]

Is that a Standard or Super Brumfield Head? The 100 lbs compression seems high for a Standard head and it has 7/8 spark plugs. Did the super only come with 14 mm spark plugs?
I'm lucky to have a Brumfield and not sure if it's a super or standard. It's not on the car yet so I could cc the chambers, but don't know what a standard or super head should cc at?
Thanks

[FRANK PKNY]

Thinking it's a regular head 100lbs sounds correct for a standard Brumfild head. I got a very thorough email from Larry Brumfield detailing the procedure for gasket and application tourking the head I will try to cut and past the info. Larry is a top flight guy as most car guys are on this site.

Frank, if you have a Brumfield head then follow these instructions:

1. Make sure the block is not off more than .002 of an inch in flatness
as measured in the center with a machinist straight-edge that spans the
length of the block's gasket area and use accurate feeler gauges with
good edges.

2. Make sure the head is not off more than .002 of an inch (preferably
less) in flatness as measured in the center in the same manner as with
the block. If it is then have it resurfaced and make sure the surface
finish made by the machine is between RMS 90-110 which is just rough
enough to feel with your fingernail. You don't want a mirror smooth
finish on a flat head nor do you want too rough a texture either. A
slight texture on a flat head tends to grip the gasket and that's what
you need.

3. On a Brumfield Head, use a new copper-clad FEL-PRO 7013 C head gasket
and NO OTHER. We install them with a light coating of chassis grease
smeared across them and that's all. However, you can use spray sealer if
you like; copper coat spray by Permatex for example, BUT apply just
enough to cover on both sides with no runs and that's it; and install
the gasket and head while the coating is STILL STICKY, very important.
If you let the sealer dry and then install the gasket, it can cause
leaks.

4. Check the condition of the studs and nuts. You need studs and nuts
that have good threads and a high enough grade strength to accurately
hold a final torque amount of 60 pounds, applied with an accurate
torque wrench. Grade 8 studs and nuts are what you need.

5. Make sure the stud bosses where the nuts make contact are free of
paint and are smooth clean metal. Apply a drop of motor oil to each boss
so the bottom of the nut can slide on it.

6. Torque in sequence following the pattern below. Start with finger
tight on each, then say 20 pounds or so on each, then 40, then a final
amount of 60 pounds on a Regular Brumfield head 5.9 and 65 on any Brumfield Super Head
above 6.5 to 1 compression ratio. The torque is dry torque or lightly oiled with motor oil.

7. After you have reached the final torque amount and have run the
engine ALWAYS RE-torque using this method and also perform the
RE-torques with the engine cooled off:

Starting at Nut #1, loosen each nut 1/8 of a turn and then in one
uninterrupted motion, torque the nut back to the final torque amount. Do
this one at a time in sequence. Don't loosen them all at once. Please
re-torque every time in this manner, very important! Usually about 3
re-torques are enough; run engine (i.e., drive the car), cool off then
re-torque.

8. Do not use a gasket beneath the water neck. Make sure the neck is
flat (if it's not then have it machined flat) and use a light smear of
RTV silicone instead of a gasket. Using a gasket with a higher torque
amount of 60 pounds will usually break the neck.

Here's the torque sequence:

Front ------->
#10 .... #4 .... #2 .. #5 ....#11
#14 ... #8 ..... #1 ... #7 ...#13
....#12 .... #6 ... #3 ....#9
Distributor side

Larry Brumfield

[briphaeton]

Thanks Frank. A friend that sold me the brumfield thought it was a super but I would like to know for sure. How do you tell the difference?

[FRANK PKNY]

Sorry I can't answer that question, however I to would like the answere, perhaps try to contact Larry Brumfield.

[FRANK PKNY]

All parts arrived today, if I'm upto it will try Sunday to get the head off and asses the problem.

[Tom Wesenberg]

Originally Posted by FRANK PKNY

All parts arrived today, if I'm upto it will try Sunday to get the head off and asses the problem.

What's the problem?

[FRANK PKNY]

Tom it was a incorrect head gasket for the Brimfield head.

[southfork]

Originally Posted by Purdy Swoft

If it has BF in raised letters it is a Brumfield. Larry recommended the Felpro 7013C third revision head gasket with his heads. I have three of his heads and that is the gasket that I have used with excellent results .

So where does one buy a Felpro 7013C third revision head gasket, and about hoe much should it cost? I need a quality head gasket for my large overbore rebuilt 1929 short block, that I may put a high compression head on.

[Purdy Swoft]

I am told that the third revision gasket has been superseded by the fourth revision gasket that is also a copper clad big bore gasket. Any parts store that sells Felpro gaskets can get this gasket. 7013 C is the only number needed to get this gasket because the revision number isn't part of the parts number and is stamped in a differente place on the gasket than the actual part number. I'm not sure about the price as price will vary with the parts store and how the particular parts salesman feels at the time . I would guess in the thirty dollar neighborhood .

[modelAtony]

Originally Posted by FRANK PKNY

Had to reduce the size to get them to show up. Here you go. Thinking it's a high compression head as I'm getting 100lbs compression , If I can id it I'll know what gasket to have on hand. Thanks Frank

The new number for the 7013c is now 7013 r4. Larry is also aware that this is the gasket you will receive when buying them now. I run the 5.9 Brum. head since 2002, best bang for the buck you will ever spend. Have fun modelAtony tony white Lafayette, LA