Confused or misled: 1928-29 Rear Body Stands

[Farrell In Vancouver]

Can anyone measure the rear body stand on a finished 1929 Tudor and tell us what lenght they are? Center of rivet to top of the stands where the body sits above the bumper arms
Need to settle and argument as I think 4.5 inches is for another car.

[Randy in ca]

The stands for the 28-29 Tudor are about 2-1/2".
The 4-1/2" ones are for Coupes & Roadsters, which are also set to the rear of the arm quite a bit further than the sedans. Believe the later (30-31) sedans also had stands that were around 4-1/2". YOU WIN !!!

[Farrell In Vancouver]

Originally Posted by Randy in ca

The stands for the 28-29 Tudor are about 2-1/2".
The 4-1/2" ones are for Coupes & Roadsters, which are also set to the rear of the arm quite a bit further than the sedans. Believe the later (30-31) sedans also had stands that were around 4-1/2". YOU WIN !!!

Randy seems certain, but his use of the word "About" will leave some doubt. Anyone else want to back me and Randy? Sorry, no walla walla sweets up fer grabs, just more work for me changing another man's work and opinion. (Maybe some Peaches & Cream corn could be found)

[85930tudor]

my 30 tudor is 41/2

[Farrell In Vancouver]

Thanks for that 8593 Tudor! So we know the 1930 stand are 4.5". Is there a difference in hieght with the 28-29s?. They made a lot of Tudor Sedans, must be a few of you that have one.

[wrndln]

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Farrell,
Not that is matters much, but I just measured the body stands on my 29 phaeton and they were 2 7/8" to 2 15/16" (not 2 1/2") from center of rivet to top of stand. I always thought that 28/29 phaetons and tudors were the same, but maybe not (or it has the wrong rear bumper arms). I also measured the stands on my 28 special coupe (which you know already) and they were 4 1/2" like mentioned before. I bought a set of what was supposed to be 28/28 coupe roadster rear bumper arms for my 28 roadster and when I measured them, the stands were 4 7/8" - go figure. I am starting to wonder what is what. I believe there was a drawing on the old Fordbarn that compared the different arms (coupes/roadsters/sedans, 28/29 and 30/31), but of course that data base is not accessible.
Rusty Nelson

[85930tudor]

According Bratton`s the 28 29 tudor and fordor are 3" inches tall found that in the 2011 cat. Page 105 ...Dave

[Farrell In Vancouver]

Hmmmm...............
Snyders list only three lenghts:

[Farrell In Vancouver]

And three Bumper brackets:

[Farrell In Vancouver]

From Brattons:

[JoeWay]

Originally Posted by Farrell In Vancouver

...Center of rivet to top of the stands where the body sits above the bumper arms...

Snyder's and Bratton's would seem to be measuring the overall height.
The original brackets on my May '29 Tudor measure about 3-1/8" overall and about 2-5/8" to the rivet centerline.

Joe

[Farrell In Vancouver]

I find myself wondering why the 28-29 brackets were an inch shorter than the 30-31 Tudor sedans. Must have been a change in the bumper bracket geometry and not the bodies? Now where did Rusty's brackets come from @ 2 7/8ths"?
Going home tonight and dig for some 3" risers and some fat rivets to try a re/re on this Tudor.

[Farrell In Vancouver]

Thanks Joe, you beat me typing

[Marco Tahtaras]

There is no magic here. Look at the level of the rear bumper arm as viewed from the side of the car. It goes UP and over the rear cross member, where it then slopes gradually downward until it reaches the desired level for the bumper height and then continues straight (relatively level) rearward.

Different bodies have different lengths. Don't focus on the upper body, focus on the floor area. The big Fordors are obviously long bodies at the top, but Coupe and Roadster bodies are the longest at the bottom and have the longest floor area.

The top of the rear bumper arm support bracket is always level (approximately) with the top of the frame when installed. The overall height of the bracket depends where it's located on the incline of the bumper arm. The further forward or up the incline, the shorter the bracket must be.

The Coupe and and Roadster bodies as mentioned are the longest. The bracket is therefore at the rearmost position which is actually before the incline going forward. My Roadster shows the bracket to be 4-3/4" tall from the rivet center and 5-1/4" overall. My '30 Fordor has it in the third position forward putting it up the incline a bit. It measures 4" tall from the rivet center and 4-1/2" overall.

Now, I've known my Ford drawing above was incomplete so we've learned two things going through this exercise today. First it is clear that the 55-A ('28-29 Tudor) had the brackets located at the forward most position. The thing that surprises me or at least was unexpected is that the floor of the '30-31 Tudor is more than 2" longer than the '28-29. That explains why the latter uses the taller bracket.

As a final note, if you have a bumper arm with a bracket that is the incorrect height for your model that means it's also in the incorrect location for your model. If you DO change the height of the bracket without relocating it then you will have a bumper arm that is not correct for ANY model!