V-8 60 Guys

[beerayb]

What are you working on? I'm real glutton for punishment, and working on two. One a 38 or39 hotrod or midget motor with all American made parts. The other is all NOS. I have to be getting senile. It's taken 12 years to find all the best parts and I still don't have an engine together. Maybe this year??? The goofiest part is that I don't plan on putting them in anything. I just like them. What's your story?

[3738]

I love them as well, have (5), but only running one in my 37 Tudor. Have early stainless steel sided ones, 37 iron sides, a 40. Even got one on an engine stand in my office.

[Mike Conshafter]

I know what you guys mean...... I have a 37' "tin side" all original on a stand in my shop just to look at. My uncle has an iron side, doing the same thing. Fully restored motors never to go in a car. We sold a 40' and another that was a spare for a midget. We had bought 3 motors and a isles full of NOS parts from the estate of a midget racer that raced here in Detroit. The 47' Curtis was for sale too but for $25k. I sat in it and man those guys must have been beat up by the end of a race!

[JM 35 Sedan]

I have three 60hp engines that I am hoarding and have no idea what I will ever do with them, but I just love having them around .

[beerayb]

I love them too. They are so rare. parts are so hard to find and very pricey when you do. Let's all get together and share info. Ray

[flatjack9]

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I've got probably 6 or 7. Lots of parts, too but I haven't done anything with any of them.

[sortkaffekop]

French Ford took them over. Im not very good at french, but I'm a member of the French Ford Vedette Club. This is what they write about the engine:
Le petit V8

En Amérique, le moteur 3,6 l devient trop gros pour une voiture populaire, il faut un moteur plus léger. En 1935, un moteur V8 à 90° avec soupapes latérales et arbre à cames central de 2,222 l (66,04 mm x 81,28 mm), 60 ch. à 3800 t/min, est étudié pour être monté sur la V8-60. Ce petit moteur ne se vend pratiquement pas en Amérique.

En 1948, dans les nouvelles usines de Poissy, on étudie un moteur V8 de 2,158 l (66,04 mm x 78,8 mm), taux de compression de 6,8/1 et 60 ch. à 4000 t/min. Il est monté dans la F492 et la nouvelle Vedette.
En 1950 on modifie l’arbre à cames et les soupapes, on porte le taux de compression à 7/1 et la puissance passe à 66 ch. pour 4600 t/min.

Got that
So I'm driving this engine in my Ford Vedette:


The original US prototype, as sold to French Ford:

[Snouts out]

I like e'm too, but there horrible when you have hills.

[mananaba]

I like the little buggers and critters also! I have two restored stock engines, two good running take outs, and three complete non running engines. I have a 37 two door slantback with a tin sided sixty not leaking, a 37 two door slantback and a 38 two door humpback. ..both with iron sided thrifty sixties..all three cars run perfectly...plenty of get up and go...but things definately slow down on steep hills...straightaways are good! Biggest maintenance seems to be the darn water pumps...have learned that during rebuilds the back of the plastic impeller and the back of the water pump need to be smooth or else there can be leaks...plus the factory recommended rubber rings and metal spacers need to be in place per specifications. With a modern five speed transmission or a two speed rear end these engines become very interesting!!!

Grt idea to keep a thread running on Henry's Little Powerhouse!

[fordcpe]

I built this one for my uncle it was a pain to fix went through 3 engines to make this one right.Darrell

[sortkaffekop]

Nice. How many hp??

[Capn John]

Originally Posted by sortkaffekop

Le petit V8

En Amérique, le moteur 3,6 l devient trop gros pour une voiture populaire, il faut un moteur plus léger. En 1935, un moteur V8 à 90° avec soupapes latérales et arbre à cames central de 2,222 l (66,04 mm x 81,28 mm), 60 ch. à 3800 t/min, est étudié pour être monté sur la V8-60. Ce petit moteur ne se vend pratiquement pas en Amérique.

En 1948, dans les nouvelles usines de Poissy, on étudie un moteur V8 de 2,158 l (66,04 mm x 78,8 mm), taux de compression de 6,8/1 et 60 ch. à 4000 t/min. Il est monté dans la F492 et la nouvelle Vedette.
En 1950 on modifie l’arbre à cames et les soupapes, on porte le taux de compression à 7/1 et la puissance passe à 66 ch. pour 4600 t/min.

Got that

YEP!!
In America, the 3.6-liter engine gets too big for a popular car, it is a lighter engine. In 1935, a V8 engine at 90 ° with side valves and camshaft central 2.222 l (66.04 mm x 81.28 mm), 60 ch. 3800 rev / min, is intended to be mounted on the V8-60. This little engine is hardly sells in America.

In 1948, in the new plants Poissy, V8 2.158 l (66.04 mm x 78.8 mm) is studied, the compression ratio of 6.8 / 1 and 60 c. 4000 t / min. It is mounted in the F492 and the new entry.
In 1950 camshaft and the valves are changed, the compression ratio is raised to 7/1 and the power is 66 ch. to 4600 t / min.

[trosa54]

This ones a build for my ten year old son. Should be done by the time he's of age to drive it.

Tony

[beerayb]

Nice work Darrell. What did your uncle put it in? Cool T bucket Tony. Ray

[36tbird]

I know that the torque range for our big flatheads is around 2400 to 2600 rpm. Where is the sweet spot for 60's?

[Pete]

Originally Posted by sortkaffekop

Nice. How many hp??

It is possible to get 100 hp from one in street form.
This will be from a 160 cubic inches.

[MARVIN, CT]

I put a 60hp in my MGTD a few years ago and with a Mustang t-5 gearbox and 3.9 gears in the rear end it does quite well. Always looking for another engine. Marvin,ct

[FL&WVMIKE]

I understand that a lot of these engines and parts are being snapped up by guys, putting them in custom motorcycles. Some are taking all they can find. It's a new business.
MIKE (mikeburch)

[62pan]

Originally Posted by FL&WVMIKE

I understand that a lot of these engines and parts are being snapped up by guys, putting them in custom motorcycles. Some are taking all they can find. It's a new business.
MIKE (mikeburch)

Like this. Been a long time since I started this project, hope to finish soon.

[37coop]

Originally Posted by 62pan

Like this. Been a long time since I started this project, hope to finish soon.

right up my street , I love it ,

[KiWinUS]

I have several lil 60,s a few tin sides some cast & a 40 , even have a complete (less rotor Button) Simca Vedette. Have lotsa parts & quite a bit of speed equipment for them .
Cheers
Tony

[mramc1]

I hope to get my 60 out soon to fix the water pumps so I can start driving it.

[SUHRsc]

If any of you guys need a home for your engines.... I can give one a good home!

[Walt Dupont--Me.]

You must of washed that engine in that 37 with hot water, it shrunk the engine. lol Walt

[Ol' Ron]

About 15 years ago I made a st of 1 piece valve guides for a fellow. He said the valves were made from stock early Ford engines and the onepiece guide was used to reduce oil burning. Can't find the name of this guy For those of you building these engines with split guides I suggest you pistall a thin film of RTV on the guide befor installing. I've done this several times and still do it on the one piece guide instead of the rubber "O" ring. Works like a charm, Simple.

[fordcpe]

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My uncle just put the V8 60 in the roadster. I built engine last winter it is now is in its home.Darrell

[fredv]

French Ford (and then Simca when Simca bought Ford France in late 1954) used the small V8 until 1961. Only pre-war engines similar to US engines were used by Ford France and Matford (joint venture between Ford France and Mathis from 1936 to 1939), the first engines were Ford tin sides.
Post war engines used on French Ford Vedette and Simca Vedette were slightly different from the US engines.
First generation of Ford Simca Vedette, engine cubes 2.351 cubic cm and develop 80hp.
After 1961, Simca Brazil still used this engine on brazilian models with increased engine displacement and dual carb set up.
I have 2 of these engine, one stock in my 56 sedan and one modified (big bore brazilian pistons, porting, dual carb and dual exhaust) in my 56 coupe and both are running very well.
Will send pictures when I 'll be home.

[BILL WZOREK]

Does the V-8 60 have the same sound at it BIG brother V-8's ???

[fordcpe]

This one does just look at the pipe size.Had to put baffles in the pipe it was so loud. I have a movie of it running but don't know how to post it. Darrell

[36tbird]

Darrell, give us a driving report on the T when you can. I'm thinking of building something like that for the 60 I have. Or, I'll get Zach to send me that midget up above and I'll put it in that.

[beerayb]

Update! My hot rod motor is finally coming together. Bob Baxter at Baxter Ford is building it for me. He is one of the best builders around and does beautiful work. I'm hoping it will be finished by the end of the year. It's going to have lots of bling and go fast goodies, including a pair of perfectly matched large logo 81's restored by Uncle Max with polished stainless parts. I can hardly wait to see the final results. I can't make up my mind on what to do with the NOS engine yet. It has never been assembled. For now I'm going to build a display table in my shop, and just look at it in its virgin state. I've never seen or heard of another one like it. What would you guys do with it? All opinions welcome. RAY

[fredv]

1956 French "small" flathead with aftermarket dual carbs:

[KiWinUS]

WOW thats a we "beauty !!!
Cheers
Tony

[beerayb]

Very nice. I've never seen one like that with dual carbs. Is that a four speed transmission?

[Bulligen]

I have a tin side that is complete, looking for a new home and I have a rebuilt 60 in a 28 phaeton!

[fredv]

Originally Posted by beerayb

Very nice. I've never seen one like that with dual carbs. Is that a four speed transmission?

Three speed with overdrive transmission from 55 T-bird and homemade adaptor.

[Mike Conshafter]

I just re-built this 37' "tin side" last week for display in my shop. I've sold four other 60's over the last few years including a marine conversion. Around three years ago I bought a collection of them and NOS parts from the estate of a midget racer here in the Detroit area. His son said that every vacation they went on (back in the 60's) his dad would stop at every Ford dealership they passed and buy all the 60 parts they had left. I kept this one and my uncle rebuilt one he had for his shop. They always attract attention and start a conversation.

[beerayb]

Very nice engine Mike. It looks like brand new. Thanks to all who have shared pictures. Keep em coming. Ray

[Ian NZ]

Here is a picture of my 1935 four main bearing two exhaust port 1935 Ford V8- 60 display engine, and pictures of another V8-60 engine and one with Smith heads.

[V8COOPMAN]

Wow, your basic 15 STUD flathead........BEAUTIFUL! DD

[beerayb]

Very rare engines. What is the story on the 1935 4 main. I never heard of one. Thanks for sharing. Ray

[Ian NZ]

The 1935 - 4 main bearing V8-60 engines were made designed and made in Dearborn U.S.A for the Dangenham English 112 inch imported Ford V8 models, as well as the English Model 61BBE which was a 25cwt Forward control 25cwt truck chassis and some of these engines were exported from Dearborn to France in late in 1935 early 1936 to France for their Matford Ford Model cars.
Apparently most of the 1935 4 main bearing V8-60 engines that were in the cars and trucks were replaced with either the later 1936 three exhaust port V8-60 engine or 21 stud Ford V8 engine, and parts were found hard to obtain, and are different from the later 1936 three exhaust port engines.
Two 1935 cars have been found in England have been found with the four main bearing engines as per photo, plus another two engines, and there are three of these engines here in N.Z.

[beerayb]

Thanks for the tutorial Ian. V8COOPMAN really had me scratching my head on the 25 stud comment . I feel much better now that he corrected it. Ray

[V8COOPMAN]

Originally Posted by beerayb

Thanks for the tutorial Ian. V8COOPMAN really had me scratching my head on the 25 stud comment . I feel much better now that he corrected it. Ray

Ray..........I'm really sorry for that. Felt like the guy in the picture! DD

[Jembow]

Great to see so much 60hp interest, I will bookmark this thread in case I need to ask you gents for help. My English 35 Coupe had the 15 stud originally (#738) but it was changed to a factroy recon tin-side before the War. I believe the 15 stud is rare because most of them failed and were exchanged. Ian NZ, do you know of one that is running?

I've only done about 200 miles and not too fast as it's still running in after rebuild, but I am looking for the next gear when I get to 40mph. Looks like there isn't room for an o/d without modifying the trans tunnel. Given that it's a coupe and will usually be carrying just 2 of us, would it pull a stock 4.11 rear end?

Here it is outside the house where it lived from 1935 to 1978.