11-03-2019, 11:57 AM | #121 |
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Re: 36 Ford drag link orientation question
Hi David,
I don't believe the MAPP gas will get it hot enough. You need to get it to around 1500°F. The MAPP gas may be hot enough but you need more volume of heated air from the torch. I'd look for an old time service station or muffler shop. It would probably be cheaper there than going to a welding shop where there may be a minimum charge in my experience anyway. Glenn |
11-03-2019, 11:58 AM | #122 |
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I thought someone said I could use Mapp because it burns much hotter. Maybe it was somewhere else on the Internet. Rose tip, don't know what that is but I will find out.
thank you edit: Just found a "rosebud" tip on the internet, I am assuming this is what you meant |
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Thanks Glenn
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11-03-2019, 01:15 PM | #124 |
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Yep, rosebud. I could be wrong on the MAPP! I have only used it on small portable welding setup. Never liked it.
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11-03-2019, 01:42 PM | #125 |
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You're welcome David!
You need more heated volume of gas, i.e., Oxy-Acetylene which you can't get with the MAPP. It is hot enough but not enough heated volume of gas such as you can get with a rosebud. The MAPP flame would be smaller and cover less area. You need more heated air volume, 1500°F or so, over a much larger area of the pitman arm to make the bend. Glenn Last edited by glennpm; 11-03-2019 at 03:08 PM. |
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11-03-2019, 07:33 PM | #127 | |
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How about MAPP and one of those spreader tips? A friend of mine is going to loan me his oxy setup and he is borrowing a rosebud tip from his brother. He was wondering about doing it while installed on the car. He has not seen the thickness of this arm though |
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11-03-2019, 07:40 PM | #128 | |
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Yo, Dave....I don't quite feel yur pain...MY knees have hurt the past 30 + years, I don't have a lift, and I don't have a Cobra! Seriously though, take a peek at the YouTube video in the link below. It shows a couple of guys using a rosebud acetylene tip to heat and bend a couple of old Ford spindle arms. These are essentially the same forged steel that's used in your Pitman arm. This video should give you an idea of how hot you need to get that arm, keeping in mind that your Pitman arm is actually a larger cross section, meaning you'll have to heat just a little longer for the greater mass of your arm. Also, you may notice that he's bending with a large adjustable wrench (more control) rather than whanging on it with a BFH. I spent a good bit of time yesterday looking for the torque on that old Ford nut. Couldn't find it! I did come across a similar-sized Mustang nut and they said 150 ft. lbs. PLUS! I'd snug it up to a similar tightness and continue turning the nut 'til you can insert a cotter pin. Click on the link below! DD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uZZ74MR7v4 |
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11-03-2019, 07:46 PM | #129 |
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The volume of heat needed I think you would go through those MAPP tanks faster than you could change them!
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11-03-2019, 08:02 PM | #130 | |
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I guess you need to get a Cobra then...LOL Great video, I do have a much better idea of what to expect and how hot to get it. I guess that also answers my question about doing it on the car. I would be nice to do it in place and get everything exactly where you want it. I dont think I have enough room under there anyway, but maybe. I have also been looking all over the place for the required Torque on the Pit-man arm nut. When removing, it sure was not on there with 150 ft lbs! It felt like about 60! While I'm asking, what is the torque on the drag link to Pit-man arm castellated nut. Somewhere I read 40-50 ft lbs??? Dave |
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OK, you win on the knees! I will never own a Cobra!! I'm not sure what you're implying here, but DO NOT heat that arm while on the steering box. At the least, it'll never retain lubricant again! I believe I'd feel comfortable with "pretty damned snug" PLUS any additional turn required to insert cotter key. On the drag link castellated nut, I'd feel good with 35-40 PLUS additional turn to the cotter key hole. Insert that taper clean and DRY. DD |
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11-03-2019, 09:05 PM | #132 |
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David, I can't give an exact procedure to accomplish what are are trying to do. I have not done this exact swap. Maybe try the hamb also.
Few things to consider: Changing out the steering box. As posted above. Bending the steering arm. Mapp gas won't do it, you will need someone experienced with a torch. Even then a 36 stock arm might not be long enough. *** just remember the lower you drop it the more you increase the possibility of the "death wobble". Angles are important. Shorting the drag link is not a big deal. Do one thing at a time . Some nonsense and observations just looking through this thread. . |
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Do they ever retain oil? haha just kidding. Ya it needs to be removed. It's some thick stuff, you'll need to heat it and add pressure. Just my opinion. . |
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If you ever get to CT, I will give you a ride, you might change your mind about the Cobra unless you hate punch in the mouth fast noisy cars...LOL. I was implying that and now I am straightened out on that...thanks Thanks for the guess Torque specs. Agree with the 35-40 on the drag link but pretty damn snug is a lot less than 150 ft lbs in my head, sounds more like 80 to me I guess I will have to do that unless somebody has the the correct specs. clean and dry....will do |
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What does "shorting the drag link" mean? |
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11-04-2019, 12:03 AM | #136 |
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When changing or lower a vehicle sometimes one or the other needs to be shortened. Usually it's the tie rod not the drag. Both can be shortened, usually the tie rod.
Death wobble is usually associated with raising a vehicle beyond its normal design. But can also be relevant with lowering a vehicle or changing angles in steering to extreme. ...Also loose components. link ends, kingpins, etc. In your instance I wouldn't worry about it till you drive it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncTgYl7P_TE . Last edited by Tinker; 11-04-2019 at 12:13 AM. |
11-04-2019, 12:15 AM | #137 |
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I am not raising or lowering the vehicle?
That video is crazy!!! Do you really think I could get that by just increasing the length of the Pit-man arm and inch? |
11-04-2019, 12:20 AM | #138 |
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Nope, I do not. Not too extreme. I was commenting on lower the arm not lengthening it. You will probably need to just adjust the tie linkage later to set toe. No big whoop, just a concept to think about when doing things.
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If you have enough play on the drag to do so. Then you are good. Might be a combo, should between the two. Hope it all works out well!
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