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Old 03-30-2016, 05:59 PM   #1
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Default 160B vs 160C

Hi guys.

What are the differences between a 160B and a 160C 1931??
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Default Re: 160B vs 160C

160c was a blindback and the b had the third window.
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Thank you ! ! !
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Default Re: 160B vs 160C

I believe the production total of the 160-c was 750. I have only seen two for sale in my 40 years connected to Model A's. The last Model A I restored was a 160-b in 2001-02. Some people suggested I convert mine to a 160-c during its restoration. I don't believe in counterfeit cars.
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There's a 160C on the MAFCA site for sale now. Also a couple of B's.
That's why I asked.
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Per the table at the MAFCA web site, see link above, there were 4,589 160C’s produced, this number includes both the Murray and Briggs bodies.
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Per the table at the MAFCA web site, see link above, there were 4,589 160C’s produced, this number includes both the Murray and Briggs bodies.
Weren't they made by Ford also? The above number would make them rare yet they seem to be plentiful?
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There was a 160C body on eBay a few months back, it never got a bid, and it started at $500. with no reserve. Bob
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Weren't they made by Ford also? The above number would make them rare yet they seem to be plentiful?

Ford did not build any bodies for the 1931 Slant Window 160A, B or C, they were built by Murray or Briggs.

When Ford built the 31 Slant Window, he had Murray and Briggs build the bodies the same so parts were interchangeable. So all slant windows, Murray and Briggs, have the curved top on the side window openings.

There are some telltale differences such as Briggs used d-nuts on the fire wall and Murray used caged nuts on the firewall. The locations on the firewall are where the speedometer cable clip attaches on the passenger inside, and where the clip for the wire loom from the generator attaches on the driver side near the terminal box.

Also Briggs had a manufactures mark, the Briggs “Bug" on the LH and RH lower cowl between the cowl band and the cowl lacing an inch or two above the splash apron and on some production parts.

The 160A. The Ford Standard Fordor Sedan had scrolled door and window handles, painted molding around the windows and painted front dash; the round dome light was centered in the car with a switch on the light and a rubber mat in the driver's compartment.

The 160B. The Ford Town Sedan had a pull rope on the back of the front seat, simple non scrolled door and window handles, wood grained molding (with a scalloped lower frame ) wood grained front dash, the oval dome light was over the back window and was controlled by a sliding switch on the door post, cowl lights and carpet.

The 160C. The Ford Deluxe Fordor Sedan - Same as the 160B but no rear quarter window, referred to as a blind back.
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Ford did not build any bodies for the 1931 Slant Window 160A, B or C, they were built by Murray or Briggs.

When Ford built the 31 Slant Window, he had Murray and Briggs build the bodies the same so parts were interchangeable. So all slant windows, Murray and Briggs, have the curved top on the side window openings.

There are some telltale differences such as Briggs used d-nuts on the fire wall and Murray used caged nuts on the firewall. The locations on the firewall are where the speedometer cable clip attaches on the passenger inside, and where the clip for the wire loom from the generator attaches on the driver side near the terminal box.

Also Briggs had a manufactures mark, the Briggs “Bug" on the LH and RH lower cowl between the cowl band and the cowl lacing an inch or two above the splash apron and on some production parts.

The 160A. The Ford Standard Fordor Sedan had scrolled door and window handles, painted molding around the windows and painted front dash; the round dome light was centered in the car with a switch on the light and a rubber mat in the driver's compartment.

The 160B. The Ford Town Sedan had a pull rope on the back of the front seat, simple non scrolled door and window handles, wood grained molding (with a scalloped lower frame ) wood grained front dash, the oval dome light was over the back window and was controlled by a sliding switch on the door post, cowl lights and carpet.

The 160C. The Ford Deluxe Fordor Sedan - Same as the 160B but no rear quarter window, referred to as a blind back.
Thank you good info! I have a 160B thats a future resto project
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https://www.mafca.com/downloads/Tech...dy_Numbers.pdf

Per the table at the MAFCA web site, see link above, there were 4,589 160C’s produced, this number includes both the Murray and Briggs bodies.
It is estimated that between 2,500 and 3,500 of the Deluxe
Fordors were 160-C's. In 1930, less than 4% of the Fordors were
the 2-window style. Since 96,310 Fordors were built in 1931, a
comparable percentage would be 3,800 cars. The present scarcity
of 160-C's may indicate a lower total. Whether you take the
highest or lowest estimate, the 160-C would be the second
"rarest" passenger car.
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Default Re: 160-A vs. 165-A interior

My apologies for dredging up an old thread, but....did the 165-A have the same interior as the 160-A?
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