The Ford Barn

waterboychuck · 07-22-2016, 06:15 PM

Nice looking car.

Walt Dupont--Me. · 07-22-2016, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Seth Swoboda

Oh I gotcha, no big deal. Hey COOPMAN how far off am I on the cubic inches of that 221 bored .080 over, is it around 231?

Seth, I'm building one of those 40 221 engines right now for a 39 4dr rag top, removed the sleeves and bore .045 makes a 239 BUT, i'm also installing a 4in. crank that will make 255 engine, with those A and a stock cam will make a torquey little engine, I've built quite a few with the 3-3/16 bore and stock 8BA pistons, you can feel the torque and runs smooth as a kitty. I have all my engines balanced. Walt

WRA · 07-23-2016, 05:01 AM

Beautiful car, but the wrong car to restore. That's a perfect the way it is. I'll walk right past a dozen restored cars to see and appreciate an original car. Enjoy.

Seth Swoboda · 07-17-2017, 08:37 AM

Sunday 7/16/17

I started the tear down of the FHV8 engine for the 1940 tudor project. What I found so far is the cylinders are standard bore. I measured them at 3.065 or 3 1/16. One of the cylinders looked pretty cruddy and had some rust. I just picked this engine up in May and I really have no idea of it's history. Going to take it down and off to the machine shop to check the block for cracks.

I'm soaking the cylinders this week for hopefully easy removal of the pistons soon.

After, we also had time to set the Lawson 2.5 hp Frost King, hit and miss on its newly fabricated cart. Off topic but thought some folks might enjoy.

I'll keep posting updates as I progress.

Seth Swoboda · 07-17-2017, 08:39 AM

A few more photos

Sid the Maineiac · 07-17-2017, 09:45 AM

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Truly a great find! Enjoy the full/partial resto on this cool old gem !

Seth Swoboda · 07-17-2017, 10:02 AM

This car has some rust issues on the frame rail and the floor pans. The frame rails are what i consider a must fix. If this car were in better shape overall I would have cleaned it up, got it running and mechanically safe to drive. I'm involved with the EFV8 Club and this car would not have passed for a Rouge class. It has had a repaint and the interior replaced already. Also, it currently has a 59A engine that is stuck. The previous owner used this car as a daily driver up into the 1980's, therefore it shows some wear.

Cecil/WV · 07-17-2017, 10:04 AM

Way to go, Seth. You know what my driver looks like, and it has been in '48 states since 10/1/2010, California twice. I do love a nice paint job, though!

Seth Swoboda · 07-17-2017, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Cecil/WV

Way to go, Seth. You know what my driver looks like, and it has been in '48 states since 10/1/2010, California twice. I do love a nice paint job, though!

This body is coming off since there will be a section of frame rail replaced. I'll have it at a V8 meet some year.

Seth Swoboda · 07-31-2017, 11:55 AM

This past weekend I continued the engine tear down. I'll post some photos later. I found some interesting things inside. About half the valves were the mushroom stem type the other half straight stem. No big deal. The last guy who was in this engine used 8BA connecting rods and crank. Try removing those 8BA rods without removing the crank in a 221 cubic inch engine. Not going to happen. Can you imagine how hard this guy worked to cobble this assembly together. Regardless, the crank journals are 30/30. Pretty much used up. The hunt is on for 21A rods and the proper crank.

It's amazing what you will find inside these engines when you open them up from a 70 plus year sleep.

Seth Swoboda · 08-07-2017, 01:25 PM

We got the last of the valves out this past weekend. Two of the one piece guides were a little stubborn and took some work. It's off to the machine shop now for block inspection.

I found some really interesting things with this engine.

1. 1946-1951 crankshaft
2. 8ba rods
3. combination mushroom and straight stem valves
4. standard bore 3.0625
5. rods and mains on the later crank were .030 under
6. valve chamber was clean and virtually sludge free
7. no ridge on cylinders

It appears this 221 engine had a rebuild shortly before it was taken out of service. However the cylinders did not require an over bore. I think the cylinders would have cleaned up with a hone except 2 of them have some pitting from rust in them. Now, I need to locate a 1939-1942 crankshaft. I believe I have some 21A rods found.

Seth Swoboda · 06-21-2018, 09:22 AM

Update on the engine build progress. More photos to follow.

Seth Swoboda · 06-21-2018, 09:37 AM

more engine rebuild photos

Seth Swoboda · 06-21-2018, 09:41 AM

More engine build photos and the transmission after I rebuilt it. The plug wires are just for mock up. I have new correct wires as of last week from Third Gen Automotive.

The cylinders cleaned up at 60 over. The crankshaft is a NOS Ford Canada. I did use a later 42-48 camshaft. The transmission I used a 29/15 tooth gear combination because I'm going with a 3:54 rear end ratio. Should turn out real nice.

AlexLohmann1 · 06-21-2018, 09:42 AM

Nice job! Another quality rebuild. May want to shout out the rest of the suppliers in case anyone asks.

Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk

RKS.PA · 06-21-2018, 09:53 AM

Right about now, Seth, you have to be feeling pretty good about your progress!! As I followed along, I kept hoping there'd be no cracks in the block....seems like you got a "good" one!! Thanks for sharing your progress....well done.

Dick.

Seth Swoboda · 06-21-2018, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by RKS.PA

Right about now, Seth, you have to be feeling pretty good about your progress!! As I followed along, I kept hoping there'd be no cracks in the block....seems like you got a "good" one!! Thanks for sharing your progress....well done.

Dick.

Thanks! I'll start the chassis restoration next. It needs it.

Mart · 06-21-2018, 11:10 AM

Nice work, Seth, It looks great.

Tim Ayers · 06-21-2018, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Seth Swoboda

You guys have me thinking about this drive it as is idea. The interior is pretty much 1970's vinyl and smells pretty bad from being closed up. It will require an engine build, radiator cleaning/check and I'd go through the transmission for sure. The overall condition of this car was just too good to pass up. At least that is what I told my wife!

Didn't realize this thread was two years old. Thanks for the progress picts.

Seth Swoboda · 06-21-2018, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Tim Ayers

Didn't realize this thread was two years old. Thanks for the progress picts.

I've been slowing plugging away at this project. Two young daughters and work keep me busy. Thanks.

07-22-2016, 06:15 PM	#41
waterboychuck Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Nine Mile Falls,WA Posts: 900	Re: 1940 standard tudor survivor, saving another one. Nice looking car. __________________ The sign of a good craftsman is how well they cover up their mistakes.

07-23-2016, 05:01 AM	#43
WRA Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: South of I-40 Posts: 380	Re: 1940 standard tudor survivor, saving another one. Beautiful car, but the wrong car to restore. That's a perfect the way it is. I'll walk right past a dozen restored cars to see and appreciate an original car. Enjoy.

07-17-2017, 09:45 AM	#46
Sid the Maineiac Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Norridgewock,Maine Posts: 657	Re: 1940 standard tudor survivor, saving another one. Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Truly a great find! Enjoy the full/partial resto on this cool old gem !

07-17-2017, 10:02 AM	#47
Seth Swoboda Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 3,833	Re: 1940 standard tudor survivor, saving another one. This car has some rust issues on the frame rail and the floor pans. The frame rails are what i consider a must fix. If this car were in better shape overall I would have cleaned it up, got it running and mechanically safe to drive. I'm involved with the EFV8 Club and this car would not have passed for a Rouge class. It has had a repaint and the interior replaced already. Also, it currently has a 59A engine that is stuck. The previous owner used this car as a daily driver up into the 1980's, therefore it shows some wear.

07-17-2017, 10:04 AM	#48
Cecil/WV Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Gerrardstown, WV Posts: 2,266	Re: 1940 standard tudor survivor, saving another one. Way to go, Seth. You know what my driver looks like, and it has been in '48 states since 10/1/2010, California twice. I do love a nice paint job, though!

07-31-2017, 11:55 AM	#50
Seth Swoboda Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 3,833	Re: 1940 standard tudor survivor, saving another one. This past weekend I continued the engine tear down. I'll post some photos later. I found some interesting things inside. About half the valves were the mushroom stem type the other half straight stem. No big deal. The last guy who was in this engine used 8BA connecting rods and crank. Try removing those 8BA rods without removing the crank in a 221 cubic inch engine. Not going to happen. Can you imagine how hard this guy worked to cobble this assembly together. Regardless, the crank journals are 30/30. Pretty much used up. The hunt is on for 21A rods and the proper crank. It's amazing what you will find inside these engines when you open them up from a 70 plus year sleep.

06-21-2018, 09:42 AM	#55
AlexLohmann1 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 230	Re: 1940 standard tudor survivor. Project Updates Nice job! Another quality rebuild. May want to shout out the rest of the suppliers in case anyone asks. Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk

06-21-2018, 09:53 AM	#56
RKS.PA Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Marana, AZ Posts: 1,196	Re: 1940 standard tudor survivor, saving another one. Right about now, Seth, you have to be feeling pretty good about your progress!! As I followed along, I kept hoping there'd be no cracks in the block....seems like you got a "good" one!! Thanks for sharing your progress....well done. Dick.

06-21-2018, 11:10 AM	#58
Mart Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Solihull, England. Posts: 8,775	Re: 1940 standard tudor survivor, saving another one. Nice work, Seth, It looks great.