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Mtn Wudy · 02-15-2016, 12:09 AM

In the stack of heads was one with this design in the casting....
Does anyone know what year or application it is ....??
I had never seen one before....
Thanks ahead of time ....

petehoovie · 02-15-2016, 12:29 AM

My 1937 Ford has the same head....85HP

Graeme / New Zealand · 02-15-2016, 02:43 AM

Correct 1937. Same head used on post war British ford Pilot too.

GB

G.M. · 02-15-2016, 08:43 AM

As soon as I saw the markings without even enlarging 37 came up.
You can confirm it's a 37 by counting the head bolt holes, 21.
I think there may have been a few early 38's with these heads. G.M.

Ian NZ · 02-15-2016, 04:17 PM

Quite a common head here, fitted to all British Ford V8 21 stud engines like the Pilot cars and Thames trucks and to the V8 engines supplied to the British army for the World war 2 effort. It would probably be off some Army V8 equipment. It would have had a Lucas distributor fitted to it.

Mart · 02-15-2016, 05:02 PM

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Wasn't there a thread recently asking about a 77E part no? I think that was that type of head.

Mart

mercman from oz · 02-15-2016, 05:32 PM

When 21 Stud Heads show the Firing order, I believe that they are unique to the British Ford Pilot V8.

mercman from oz · 02-15-2016, 05:36 PM

Original Advertisement for the Ford V8 Pilot.

37 Cab · 02-15-2016, 06:13 PM

My 37 has those markings. Pretty sure they are stock.

petehoovie · 02-15-2016, 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mercman from oz

When 21 Stud Heads show the Firing order, I believe that they are unique to the British Ford Pilot V8.

Are you sure they are 'unique' to the British Ford Pilot V8???

Talkwrench · 02-15-2016, 07:12 PM

Yes 37. I have 77E heads on mine, seem to be good heads. 7.5 ; 1 I believe. I get 120 - 125 in all cylinders.

Bruce Lancaster · 02-15-2016, 07:34 PM

As I noted in the other head thread, these became common here when Joblot imported a big stash of WWII British Ford stuff in the early 1970's. The 1937 pattern 221 was made in England up into the 1950's and I think the 77E (truck, English design) heads were used on all the military and civilian uses. A LOT were produced during WWII.

mercman from oz · 02-15-2016, 07:53 PM

This British Fordson Thames had the same 221 CID V8 as the Ford Pilot.

Bruce Lancaster · 02-15-2016, 07:57 PM

And the same as thousands of wartime tracked carriers and military trucks. In cars, the '37 engine seems to have been used into the last '39 models in civilian production of 85 hp cars and then after the war the Pilot and many trucks.

Brian · 02-15-2016, 08:54 PM

The 77E [English] heads had that firing order on them, true, but the replacement [Canadian] 77 6050 A heads also showed the firing order.
The head[s] in question are USA made; look just to the right of the diagram in the photo, you can see USA cast into the head.
I believe, original factory heads were plain; I have seen plain ones, all the replacement heads had the diagram.

Brian · 02-15-2016, 08:59 PM

Incidentally, the above information pertains only to the cast iron heads, the Canadians also made aluminum versions; these also did not display the firing order, they were plain

Mtn Wudy · 02-15-2016, 11:23 PM

Wow......That's interesting..!!Here is another photo of the casting number...
Sure-nuff...77-E6050.....Big stack of heads and only ONE...

Ian NZ · 02-16-2016, 02:44 AM

Ford in Great Britain did not make any more 21 stud Ford V8 Engines after the war they just collected all the surplus new Ford V8 engines in the Army depot's around the country which had not been paid for by the Military and used them in the Pilot cars and Thames trucks.

Brian · 02-16-2016, 03:44 AM

Can you substantiate that Ian? Methinks Pilot blocks are a different casting with those freeze plugs at back of each bank. Did the English military issue blocks share those plugs? I don't think so.

Bruce Lancaster · 02-16-2016, 10:33 AM

I heard from a friend that toured the back room at Joblot when that importing was going on that many of the complete engines they had had unusual casting variations, extra freeze plugs, water outlets in odd places, and so on. I know they were used in a variety of military vehicles, in winches, in various portable fire pumps and generators, etc.
The ones in Bren carriers and normal trucks were probably fairly standard.
They even joined the air war...British B-24s were equipped with a super spotlight fed by a Ford V8 generator to kill U-boats sneaking out to sea at night. The boats were found by radar, which wasn't precise enough to allow an attack before they could submerge, but with the spotlight planes could make a bomb run towards the radar sighting and turn on the huge spotlight at the last second, frequently allowing accurate attack before the sub could get all the way under.
In the casting # shown, the E in 77E indicates a Ford England design.

02-15-2016, 12:29 AM	#2
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02-15-2016, 02:43 AM	#3
Graeme / New Zealand Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Lower Hutt , New Zealand Posts: 2,126	Re: Bought a bunch of Flathead parts today.. Correct 1937. Same head used on post war British ford Pilot too. GB __________________ "you can't make honey out of dog sh*t" "You're a long time looking at the lid"

02-15-2016, 08:43 AM	#4
G.M. Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Florida and Penna. Posts: 4,471	Re: Bought a bunch of Flathead parts today.. As soon as I saw the markings without even enlarging 37 came up. You can confirm it's a 37 by counting the head bolt holes, 21. I think there may have been a few early 38's with these heads. G.M. __________________ www.fordcollector.com

02-15-2016, 04:17 PM	#5
Ian NZ Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Taranaki, New Zealand Posts: 922	Re: Bought a bunch of Flathead parts today.. Quite a common head here, fitted to all British Ford V8 21 stud engines like the Pilot cars and Thames trucks and to the V8 engines supplied to the British army for the World war 2 effort. It would probably be off some Army V8 equipment. It would have had a Lucas distributor fitted to it.

02-15-2016, 05:02 PM	#6
Mart Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Solihull, England. Posts: 8,750	Re: Bought a bunch of Flathead parts today.. Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Wasn't there a thread recently asking about a 77E part no? I think that was that type of head. Mart

02-15-2016, 05:32 PM	#7
mercman from oz Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Queensland, Australia Posts: 10,365	Re: Bought a bunch of Flathead parts today.. When 21 Stud Heads show the Firing order, I believe that they are unique to the British Ford Pilot V8.

02-15-2016, 05:36 PM	#8
mercman from oz Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Queensland, Australia Posts: 10,365	Re: Bought a bunch of Flathead parts today.. Original Advertisement for the Ford V8 Pilot.

02-15-2016, 06:13 PM	#9
37 Cab Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Miami Oklahoma Posts: 535	Re: Bought a bunch of Flathead parts today.. My 37 has those markings. Pretty sure they are stock. __________________ Tommy

02-15-2016, 07:12 PM	#11
Talkwrench Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 2,687	Re: Bought a bunch of Flathead parts today.. Yes 37. I have 77E heads on mine, seem to be good heads. 7.5 ; 1 I believe. I get 120 - 125 in all cylinders. __________________ *"Came too close to dying to stop living now!"*

02-15-2016, 07:34 PM	#12
Bruce Lancaster Member Emeritus Join Date: May 2010 Location: Madison, NJ Posts: 5,230	Re: Bought a bunch of Flathead parts today.. As I noted in the other head thread, these became common here when Joblot imported a big stash of WWII British Ford stuff in the early 1970's. The 1937 pattern 221 was made in England up into the 1950's and I think the 77E (truck, English design) heads were used on all the military and civilian uses. A LOT were produced during WWII.

02-15-2016, 07:53 PM	#13
mercman from oz Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Queensland, Australia Posts: 10,365	Re: Bought a bunch of Flathead parts today.. This British Fordson Thames had the same 221 CID V8 as the Ford Pilot.

02-15-2016, 07:57 PM	#14
Bruce Lancaster Member Emeritus Join Date: May 2010 Location: Madison, NJ Posts: 5,230	Re: Bought a bunch of Flathead parts today.. And the same as thousands of wartime tracked carriers and military trucks. In cars, the '37 engine seems to have been used into the last '39 models in civilian production of 85 hp cars and then after the war the Pilot and many trucks.

02-15-2016, 08:54 PM	#15
Brian Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Masterton, New Zealand Posts: 3,834	Re: Bought a bunch of Flathead parts today.. The 77E [English] heads had that firing order on them, true, but the replacement [Canadian] 77 6050 A heads also showed the firing order. The head[s] in question are USA made; look just to the right of the diagram in the photo, you can see USA cast into the head. I believe, original factory heads were plain; I have seen plain ones, all the replacement heads had the diagram. __________________ Unfortunately, two half wits don't make a whole wit!

02-15-2016, 08:59 PM	#16
Brian Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Masterton, New Zealand Posts: 3,834	Re: Bought a bunch of Flathead parts today.. Incidentally, the above information pertains only to the cast iron heads, the Canadians also made aluminum versions; these also did not display the firing order, they were plain __________________ Unfortunately, two half wits don't make a whole wit!

02-16-2016, 02:44 AM	#18
Ian NZ Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Taranaki, New Zealand Posts: 922	Re: Bought a bunch of Flathead parts today.. Ford in Great Britain did not make any more 21 stud Ford V8 Engines after the war they just collected all the surplus new Ford V8 engines in the Army depot's around the country which had not been paid for by the Military and used them in the Pilot cars and Thames trucks.

02-16-2016, 03:44 AM	#19
Brian Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Masterton, New Zealand Posts: 3,834	Re: Bought a bunch of Flathead parts today.. Can you substantiate that Ian? Methinks Pilot blocks are a different casting with those freeze plugs at back of each bank. Did the English military issue blocks share those plugs? I don't think so. __________________ Unfortunately, two half wits don't make a whole wit!

02-16-2016, 10:33 AM	#20
Bruce Lancaster Member Emeritus Join Date: May 2010 Location: Madison, NJ Posts: 5,230	Re: Bought a bunch of Flathead parts today.. I heard from a friend that toured the back room at Joblot when that importing was going on that many of the complete engines they had had unusual casting variations, extra freeze plugs, water outlets in odd places, and so on. I know they were used in a variety of military vehicles, in winches, in various portable fire pumps and generators, etc. The ones in Bren carriers and normal trucks were probably fairly standard. They even joined the air war...British B-24s were equipped with a super spotlight fed by a Ford V8 generator to kill U-boats sneaking out to sea at night. The boats were found by radar, which wasn't precise enough to allow an attack before they could submerge, but with the spotlight planes could make a bomb run towards the radar sighting and turn on the huge spotlight at the last second, frequently allowing accurate attack before the sub could get all the way under. In the casting # shown, the E in 77E indicates a Ford England design.